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Cumulative effects of COVID infections

During our talk the physicist summarized what the science now says about COVID infections, whether they appear mild or severe. Every infection increases the risk for heart attacks, strokes and heart disease; for new-onset diabetes; for cognitive decline and dementia; for deregulating the immune system; and for reactivating viruses like Epstein-Barr or shingles.

An epidemic of shingles, for example, is now afflicting young Chinese adults who have just recovered from a bout with COVID.

At the beginning of the pandemic researchers worried about the effects of an acute infection requiring hospitalization. Now the focus has shifted to the long-term impacts of repeated infections and long COVID, says Bar-Yam. Here again the science shows that risks are real and cumulative, particularly among those suffering from long COVID.

“The science is saying our health is progressively deteriorating,” says Bar-Yam.

Because COVID destabilizes the immune system, researchers are now beginning to see a link between repeat COVID infections and rising cancer rates in young people. One study recently found that a COVID infection can accelerate or increase cancer risk, while another study revealed that a COVID infection substantially heightened the risk of six cancers caused by the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus.

In this vein Bar-Yam has also co-authored a new peer-reviewed paper in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine Focus that draws some disturbing comparisons between repeated COVID infections and untreated HIV infections, noting each can cause chronic inflammation, immune exhaustion and accelerated biological aging.

Bar-Yam and fellow researchers are not saying that COVID is the same as HIV-acquired AIDS — the two are vastly different viruses spread in very different ways. But a comparison of the two immune destabilizers helps us see something that public health discourse has largely neglected: “We may be living through a slow-moving immune decline crisis.”

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

While I 100% agree, why is his status as a physicist emphasized? It's completely irrelevant, physicists study neither medicine nor statistics (except as needed for physics).

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

It’s weird how they keep stressing “physicist” like that, he studies the mathematics of complex systems

He did a lot of work related to the 2014 Ebola epidemic too and is a founding member of an anti-COVID org

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know. He also studies pandemics. It's a weird title.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

meow-tableflip Journalists.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

His background is in physics, but he's really a complex systems theorist. He's done a bunch of work on epidemiological modeling, immunology, climate change, and other complex systems stuff. Nobody knows what that means though, so they just say "physicist." That's my area too, but I came into it from philosophy of science instead. It's hard to be a dedicated interdisciplinary person, because nobody really knows where to put you.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For some reason, physics is held up as a uniquely difficult and prestigious field in the media, so they think it'll be more effective clickbait.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For some reason, physics is held up as a uniquely difficult and prestigious field in the media

Pretty sure that if I scratch away at that I'll reveal some unholy mix of misogyny (field historically dominated by men in the west) and weapons development (westerners soyfacing over how cool the manhattan project was, rockets, planes). I think it's mainly weapons, actually. Physics has the most obvious, direct connection among the sciences to mass murder.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

Personally, I blame Plato. The Western tradition has a long history of equating abstraction with prestige, so the less your research makes contact with the yucky material world, the smarter you must be. Theoretical physics goes at the top of this hierarchy in science, and stuff like very technical metaphysics goes at the top in philosophy. The further away from that you are, the less prestigious your work is seen as. This stems from Plato's categorization of technē (craft knowledge) as the lowest form of knowing.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

could be because if you ask a child what different scientists do you usually get:

  • chemists mix things together in beakers
  • biologists look at plants and animals
  • physicists do really hard math

and the media just runs with it because everyone is twelve now

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Probably correct, most americans' exposure to the sciences ends in high school, and in that environment physics looks the most complicated.

12 year old theory is surprisingly valid.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

It's probably cause...the math adds up

[–] bigpharmasutra@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Probably because its simpler than 'pandemicist', or 'complex systems analyst', or something along those lines.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We don’t take it seriously at all. 99% of people have forgotten it exists.

In the past 6 months I’ve seen maybe two other people wear a face mask.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought it would normalise wearing masks when sick at least, apparently not.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Your first mistake was expecting the average Westerner to give a shit about other people

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish it was possible to physically hit someone in the face with this information when I get dirty looks for masking

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Well I do own a printer...

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Article is pretty ok even though any article with "this" in its title is presumptively clickbait.

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

0 days since I've had a discussion with a relative with new and persistent health problems, mentioned covid and gotten the deer in headlights/change subject/ignore response.

The best part was how another relative just ignored what I said completely and continued on speculating on what ever it could be that is causing these problems, could it be mold, the weather, who knows!

But I am well past the point, purely out of spite, of letting these people just comfortably ignore all this. Been bringing it up for 6 years, will keep on doing that as long as it takes.

[–] xeroxguts@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Anecdotal, but I ALSO got shingles following my first (and only, afaik) case of COVID (I am well under 50 years old). It was in the top-5 most painful experiences, maybe tied for first place with kidney infection.

Most people close to me (family, partner, friends) had at least one lingering effect as well after having it, including eczema, loss of taste/smell, neuropathy, two unrelated uncles got cancer, high blood pressure, heart attack, and other cases of shingles.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This person from a field where reductionist experiments and strong control over variables are possible, makes a sweeping statement about multiple fields where you controlling variables and performing experiments are among the leading research challenges

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He studies complexity theory through mathematical models. Based on his own work, Bar Yam appears well-versed in use of observational data to study biological phenomena given the challenges you describe.