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Anybody have any advice on where to start with meditation? Trying to find the useful bits among the mishmash of spiritual bs and techbro Sam Harris rational productivity improving bs.

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sit somewhere, set a timer for a few minutes, close your eyes, focus on your breathing. Slowly inhale 3-4 seconds, hold 3-4 seconds, exhale 3-4 seconds, hold 3-4 seconds, repeat. If a thought pops up, simply acknowledge it and let it go, no need to focus on it, go back to your breathing. Feelings in your body, acknowledge them, go back to your breathing. Eventually your timer will go off. Do it again the next day, and the next day. Add a minute each week. When the world starts to stress you out, focus on your breathing. When you're in a protracted people's war and taking small arms fire from cops, focus on your breathing. When you're launching molotov cocktails at tanks cruising down your street, focus on your breathing. When you're a judge on the tribunal for ICE, focus on your breathing. When you're being awarded the Bushnell medal for valor in defending your community at the 20 year anniversary of our victory, focus on your breathing. When you're finally on your deathbed surrounded by comrades and smiling and laughing as you all reminisce about what a great life you've lived, focus on your breathing.

Okay, you can stop now. stalin-approval

[–] noretus@crazypeople.online 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just ignore Harris if his "techbro" (??) stuff bugs you and get the free month on his app, listen to the load of the other teachers on it and find one that resonates. Easily the best way to sample various systems in one place.

Also meditation was mainly just appropriated by western self-improvement ideology. It really isn't what it's for.

[–] mrfugu@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

my favorite meditation method was something I got from midnight gospel (RIP duncan trussel).

Sit still, close your eyes, and start trying to feel the inside of your body. Find where are your bones, blood vessels, organs, muscles, etc. Go from the tip of your finger and move your focus up your arm into your chest and from there to the rest of your body. Don’t do it with touch do it in your mind.

IMO meditation is about clearing your mind and allowing for a modicum of emotional reset. The spiritual aspect is up to the individual to feel or not feel but anything past that is snake oil.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ironically, this is an actual spiritual Buddhist meditation practice. I fell down this rabbit hole a while back and came across a guy called David McMahon who is a religious studies professor with a background in Buddhism. He's got a couple of lectures that are up on YouTube and he's written a few books about the relationship between modern Western meditation and traditional Buddhist practices.

It's super interesting and non-prescriptive and very clearly not huckster bullshit.

[–] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

That is super interesting I'm gonna check that out, thanks!

[–] simpletailor@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Breath exercises, like box breathing. Count in your head to help quiet your thoughts. I like to couple this with yoga poses. You can start simple, with e.g. the half lotus pose.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

If you have a Vipassana center near you they offer free courses where they feed and house you while teaching you meditation. It is 7-10 days of silent meditation with no media consumption (no books no phones no computers) so it can be pretty tough the first time but it is also a great opportunity to unplug and again, it is free. The food is usually really good too

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

I was never really interested in meditation or anything approaching spirituality but my therapist got me into it, basically by just calling it something different, and I really enjoy it now. I don't have any guides to recommend, but I can tell you what I've gotten from meditation.

When I meditate, I slow down and try to notice what's going on in my body. I don't try to stop anything, or feel anything, I just observe what's there. I just notice my breathing, and contact with a chair or the floor or bed, and how my head feels. I try and see if there's any tension or energy anywhere in my body and if that's associated with anything. I noticed that when I'm anxious and overwhelmed, my body feels floaty and distant, and physical sensations are far away. When I meditate, I notice a sense of weight in my body and a feeling of solid contact with my chair or bed. If I I notice any tension or energy, I try to release it really slowly.

Meditation is the main part of my therapy, and while I don't really know how scientific it is, whether it's just a placebo effect or it coincides with other things in my life, it has made me a lot healthier mentally. My anxiety has been scaled back massively and isn't present most days.

My therapist talks about "listening to my body" and that's what I do. He tells me that my nervous system is in an elevated state of alarm, and meditation is just calming it down. The idea is that the mind follows where the body leads. And that's something I can definitely get behind. If I'm hungry or exhausted, I can't think as well, and the same goes for constantly being anxious, which is a physical emotion that I can feel. So focus on the physical and the mental will follow.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Alan Watts guided mediation This is where I started.

Also, box breathing works well

[–] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Cool thank you!

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[–] xarm@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

'The miracle of mindfulness' by Thich Nhat Hanh is a good introduction to meditation and spirituality overall

[–] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Downloaded, thank you!

[–] UmmmCheckPlease@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

I think of the sound and sight of waves rolling into shore (mostly because I listened to wave sounds while first learning meditating). The timing helps with box breathing, and the “waves” gather up each thought and carry it away. And I picture my happy place, which is a decade ago sitting on the stoop with my friends before we all went our separate ways, one of the last times I recall feeling “carefree”. It’s a bittersweet memory, but extremely powerful, and helps ground the practice in reality.

[–] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you everyone you all rock stalin-heart

[–] CarbonConscious@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I found this video to be a pretty interesting take. I brute-forced my way into zen-style mindfulness meditation years ago, and so now I don't have too much trouble just dropping back into it now, but this one suggests adding Om-chanting, which I think could be really helpful for someone struggling with getting started. Plus then you get to feel like a part of that real dope DOOM track too, so that's a bonus. https://youtu.be/DvuVhCIQgfQ

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[–] bigpharmasutra@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What do you do if you can't get your stupid brain to shut up? That's always been my problem with the meditation efforts.

[–] noretus@crazypeople.online 4 points 1 week ago

That's not the point of meditation, it's a really common misconception. You just learn to not give your thoughts attention. Nobody can get their brain to shut up.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Everyone has thoughts. Meditation (at least the style I learned) is acknowledging those thoughts and then letting them go. I can't remember where I read it, but the advice was to visualize yourself as a mountain, and visualize those thoughts as clouds floating past. You can take note that there are clouds there, but a mountain doesn't go follow them. They just float by and are gone.

[–] bigpharmasutra@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right its the letting them go part that I can't seem to stop. I can't really do visualization because my brain is fucked up, so for me it turns into a relaxation exercise, but I can't relax fully because I'm always thinking.

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Its okay and normal to have thoughts popping up. It's counterproductive to try to force the thoughts away. Meditation is like gardening in that way, in that you can't force a flower to bloom before its time by forcing the bulb open. Instead, just like in gardening, you make the conditions for growth and let "nature" go from there. Do the little work everyday, and with time something will come.

And "nature" here just means that there is a process, it takes time, and forcing thoughts away won't speed things up and it will introduce this idea that you are "failing". It may just make you angry and associate bad thoughts with meditation.

Buddhism (if doing a Buddhist style meditation) and Dialectical Materialism, too to some extent, are all about conditionality. You create the conditions for later insight through meditation. You can't force the results, you can just lay the groundwork.

Meditation is like gardening, but it is also like practicing an instrument or exercising. It is building up a "muscle" (the mindfulness muscle) and so it's best to treat like you would any other exercise or practice routine.

It's best to do a little everyday, slowly build up that muscle. Accept you will make mistakes for a long time at first as you get started. Forgive yourself and move on. Don't make a big fuss about "not doing it right" as that creates a bad feedback loop. And it's an unrealistic expectation anyway. As long you have a good intention of a.) recognizing (or being mindful) of thoughts as they come, and then b.) letting them pass by not intentionally feeding them, chasing them, or letting them snowball into other thoughts, then you will be good.

Notice that "stopping thoughts" is not on your to do list. Instead, it's noticing them as they come up and trying to let them pass by, like a cloud, without chasing them or getting lost in them.

You will have roaming thoughts. It is normal, your mindfulness muscle is not fully developed, and if you push too hard then you'll burn out. So keep the Meditation short enough at the start. If you practice for 10 minutes but only had a brief moment of focus where you recognized thoight and didnt chase it - good! You succeeded! Now next day try again, maybe you can make thay brief moment of attention a little longer next time. Maybe you can't - progress isnt linear.

Its a marathon, not a sprint. You can't stop thoughts, so instead try to be more mindful of them as they come, and build up the muscles to notice that those thoughts will also go away on their own if not fed.

It sounds like you have a hard time with letting thoughts go. I know, it's hard. And youll find sometimes your mind can be in a particulalry "noisy" state or a particularly calm one (again there are conditions which caused that). But also remember, any muscle you haven't exercised will be weak at first. So I think the trick at this point is to accept that the process will work, it may take a long time. So you cant get worked up right now about any expectations of how hard or easy or fast or slow it should be.

If you can only let thoughts pass for 0.01% of the time of your meditation, and the rest of the time you are lost in thought, then guess what - you still succeeded. As long as you're earnest but relaxed during meditation, then the garden will grow on its own time. It's said that the only bad meditation is the one you didn’t do. But I would also add to make sure you aren't getting mad or frustrated at yourself during meditation.

Just treat it as observation time. Like you are a third party examining what goes on in your brain. Maybe at this moment the goal is to more deeply feel the observation of: "gee, I really do think all the time - imagine how lost in thought I get when I'm not trying to meditate!"

You have all your life to practice. Care-Comrade