The reason is that Lebensraum failed, while Manifest Destiny succeeded.
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Upvoted; something in me suspects the difference is that the victims of Lebensraum were white europeans, while MD were overwhelmingly brown people.
Slavs and Jews are only conditionally white and only while they serve the West.
lmao so true
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Thats a part of it yes
Nothing other than the fact that one failed and the other succeeded
Lebensraum killed white people (unnaceptable) but manifest destiny killed not white people (acceptable).
Lebensraum was and is horrrifying to westerners because it took what we did to everyone else and did it to us.
The primary reason is convenience. Nazi Germany no longer exists so condemning Lebensraum is apolitical.. In contrast, the world power that Manifest Destiny had a hand in creating is still around. Condemning the US's history is seen as taking a political stance and taking political stances is bad.
- How the US inspired the Nazis - From Manifest Destiny to Lebensraum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gcipAvplY
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On "brainwashing": https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
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Hitler's love letter to Western Imperialism: https://redsails.org/emersberger-on-mein-kampf/
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Liberal historical revisionism: https://redsails.org/geopolitica-e-direitos-humanos/
lmfao ofc this is a thing. What a country.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Zionism is also a Lebensraum ideology and the liberal mainstream not only doesn't condemn it, they violently defend it. The difference is simply that the Nazis lost, and the American settler-colonial genocide has already been completed so there is little danger in criticizing either.
Liberals always oppose every war and every genocide except the ones they are currently engaged in. If the Nazis had won their Lebensraum project would be seen more like Manifest Destiny.
Liberals oppose every war and every genocide except the ones they are currently engaged in.
this is perfect. Imagine how disgraceful your country is that it’s normal to condemn 99% of your own history.
Yeah I condemn the sterilization of 1/3 of Puerto Rico’s women, yeah I condemn having 17/20 Latin American countries under military dictatorships during the 1970/1980s period, Yeah I condemn the “wars” in vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, basically between 1950s-2021, yeah I condemn slavery so there’s another 200-300 years. Yeah I condemn the American colonization of Philippines & Guam so just the 1900-1945 period basically. And yeah also I condemn Jim Crow, too, so there goes whatever’s left.
Yeah I also condemn being the only country to hold up the isolated Apartheid South Africa all the way to 1994, and the shunned Israel beginning in 1967 all the way to… to…
to OCT 7, 2023 YOU ANTI SEMITE THATS WHEN THEY FLIPPED TO THE GOOD GUYS… THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST AS A JEWISH STATE AND MUST BE DEFENDED TO THE BITTER END, DAS BITTERE ENDE, MEIN FÜHRER!!
but yeah in spite of these… hiccups… i still love this country and everything it stands for, it’s the only thing safeguarding democracy.
Like what other country talks like this? And we are to assume that your country is now reformed?
The Nazis declared war on the United States along with Imperial Japan, so during and after the Second World War, opposition to Nazism was an issue of patriotism. A lot of the contemporary understanding of fascism was propagandistic and untethered from reality. Many today still attribute Hitler’s ideology and policy to atheistic secularism, even though this is just untrue.
Racism.
Amerindians weren't White so it was okay to murder them, steal their land, destroy their civilizations, erase their history, suppress their religions, ban their languages, and annihilate their cultures.
Whether Eastern Europeans and Jews were considered White has long been inconsistent between racists even up to this very day, but they were close enough to being White for most racists that the sight of mass graves full of people that could pass for your cousin and lived lives that were close enough to your own was more than enough to churn the stomachs of even the most haughty racist Westerners.
There was also better infrastructure to host capitalism in Eastern Europe; meanwhile said infrastructure was totally absent in the Americas and so had to be built from scratch regardless of whether the indigenous peoples wanted it or not.
This is true, but also not complete. For average people (rather than historians and academics), lebensraum is often just ignored as well outside of the countries directly affected. WW2 focus for liberals revolves mostly around the killing of Jews in extermination camps. They don't really give a shit about the rest of the victims of the war. They don't give a shit about the Jewish victims either, but they pretend to because it helps them support their latest colonial project in the Levant.
And at the end of the day, Americans putting a figure like Polk/Roosevelt as the face of the American space program wouldn’t turn our stomachs as much as when Americans put Paperclip-nazi Werner von Braun there in 1960, for example.
Nobody cared or cares about von Braun either, it's just completely ignored and excused that he was a fascist. Everyone just automatically believes (without even having to be told) that he was a smol bean apolitical scientist, even though that's obviously ridiculous and not even close to true.
And lebensraum mostly matters to liberals in countries directly affected by it, liberals outside of those often care about as little as they care about manifest destiny. The academic differences you point out, I agree with other users that those are just due to racism. One affected europeans and the other didn't.
That’s funny you point that out. I wrote this for a Western academic audience. Of course this isn’t a serious question, MD was far more evil than anything the Nazis did and we already know the Nazis were directly inspired by it.
But I know these liberal historians don’t give a shit they did the von Brauhn thing either so it was meant a subtle jab at them. Ffs NASA still has a page on him, describing him as one of the “most important champions of space exploration.” I’m wondering if they’ll even notice the irony that they don’t care about that either, or at least pretend like they condemn that, along with the rest of their country’s history they clutch their pearls at. I thought it would be fun to paste it here for the entertainment, I knew this community would be on my side at least lmao.
Upvoted :)
Time is the difference.
It’s why most Americans have been fine with the Gaza genocide from 1949-2023, but are disgusted with it the last two years. It’s the speed of the violence
One went west, the other east. East is wrong, west is correct.
East is wrong, west is correct
Lmao I just spit out my drink (upvoted)