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So it is generally accepted in the mainstream that the US believed in racial supremacy and conducted genocidal conquest against the Amerindian populations / took land from Mexico. This campaign was called “Manifest Destiny” and is generally looked on critically in the US. A lot of mainstream might frame it in a “regrettable light,” and there is a lot of nuanced discussion over if it was a legal genocide, if the disease factor was just an unfortunate tragedy, etc.

Butter at the end of the day, Americans putting a figure like Polk/Roosevelt as the face of the American space program wouldn’t turn our stomachs as much as when Americans put Paperclip-nazi Werner von Brauhn there, for example. (well his dedicated NASA page describes him as a “champion of space exploration” so maybe I’m wrong about that, too)

So now when we compare it with the rhetoric on Lebensraum, we get stark contrast. The mainstream goes gloves off, calling it a major crime, subjecting any dissenters to academic isolation (rightfully), etc. Anything beyond total condemnation is (rightly) unacceptable within the academic community. Of course any celebration of Nazi leaders in other contexts are also swiftly (and correctly) condemned out of fear that pushing such ideas makes the Nazi leaders more palatable to the general public.

So my question is, what is the reason for the change in temperature? Why is Lebensraum appropriately and totally condemned, while Manifest Destiny is “brutal,” but “highly consequential”? Figures like Polk and Roosevelt are not considered universally negative figures like high Nazi officials are.

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[–] Cheburashka@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Liberals oppose every war and every genocide except the ones they are currently engaged in.

this is perfect. Imagine how disgraceful your country is that it’s normal to condemn 99% of your own history.

Yeah I condemn the sterilization of 1/3 of Puerto Rico’s women, yeah I condemn having 17/20 Latin American countries under military dictatorships during the 1970/1980s period, Yeah I condemn the “wars” in vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, basically between 1950s-2021, yeah I condemn slavery so there’s another 200-300 years. Yeah I condemn the American colonization of Philippines & Guam so just the 1900-1945 period basically. And yeah also I condemn Jim Crow, too, so there goes whatever’s left.

Yeah I also condemn being the only country to hold up the isolated Apartheid South Africa all the way to 1994, and the shunned Israel beginning in 1967 all the way to… to…

to OCT 7, 2023 YOU ANTI SEMITE THATS WHEN THEY FLIPPED TO THE GOOD GUYS… THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST AS A JEWISH STATE AND MUST BE DEFENDED TO THE BITTER END, DAS BITTERE ENDE, MEIN FÜHRER!!

but yeah in spite of these… hiccups… i still love this country and everything it stands for, it’s the only thing safeguarding democracy.

Like what other country talks like this? And we are to assume that your country is now reformed?