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Trump’s civil fraud trial continues after lawyers fail bid for early verdict ending (www.pbs.org)

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NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s lawyers were thwarted Thursday in their longshot bid to put an immediate end to the New York civil fraud trial that threatens the former president’s real estate empire.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

FTA:

"In seeking to short-circuit the case, Trump lawyer Christopher Kise argued that state lawyers had failed to meet “any legal standard” to prove allegations of conspiracy, insurance fraud and falsifying business records.

“There’s no victim. There’s no complainant. There’s no injury. All of that is established now by the evidence,” Kise argued."

Lawyer missed the part where liability has already been decided. This is about damages, not guilt or innocence.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Did they forget about that part or ignored it intentionally and hoped the judge would forget?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

They're not trying to win the case. They're painting a picture so that after, they can get all their supporters lathered up.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago

Trump, on the stand Monday between barbs for his adversaries, denied wrongdoing and said lenders were “extremely happy” doing business with him.

Really? Is that why all the US banks refused to do business with him anymore and he had to go to Deutsch Bank?

[Speaking of old Trump/bank news from years ago, I forget: was there ever any resolution to that whole Alfa Bank thing with the mysterious internet communications?]

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

Marcy Wheeler is someone who continues to follow the story. https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/28/the-alfa-bank-dark-net-at-noon

[+] beckerist@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

This is not a criminal case, those come next year.

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago

I agree in general, although there's no chance of jail time in this case.

[-] Teppic@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

Technically if he keeps breaching the gag order...

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

I suppose that's true, you're right. Technically.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately this is a civil trial, so no chance of jail here. That will have to wait for one of his many criminal trials…

I’m just hoping that the judge imposes such harsh monetary penalties that Trump has to sell Mar-a-Lago. Or better yet, have it seized and sold at auction for a pittance.

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

It's not so much a matter of if he is guilty or not by this point, but how much guilt is he responsible for.

I think the broader public and Trump might miss the nuisance. But it means the difference of carving up parts of an empire to all of the Trump empire.

Trump can easily pay a fine, but I don't think he is going to recover from losing the Trump Brand.

Which is why I am so flabbergasted by why Trump and his lawyers are being hostile on the witness stand.

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