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[-] Ace0fBlades@lemmy.world 88 points 11 months ago

Always depressing when an internet mainstay goes under. I'm curious about who was so dedicated to keeping Omegle of all things off the web with attacks.

These seem to be the years the websites are unable to make money any longer and if they can't make money from the users they will fade away.

We can only wait around and see what next shiny thing pokes it's head around the corner to try and fill the video chat roulette

[-] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

It’s basically the dot com bubble all over again. These companies survived for years off free money and venture capitalists with seemingly endless pockets due to low interest rates. Now that rates are up the money is dry. Now that investors don't have free money they want to see a return. Since these companies never could be profitable they’re now collapsing under their own weight.

As for who was wanting to shut it down… basically any government agency dealing in child abductions, any mom group, “family” organization, incels/people mad at others for just being social. Just my guess.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

I do recall trying out Chatroulette when it first came out but it was a lot of mushroom caps I wasn't interested in seeing so I didn't stick around long.

Back before that when I was dating some of that included the personal section of Craigslist. Unfortunately there was some horrible attacks of sex trade workers that used the personals down in the US and then the US government came together to "protect" people by holding the websites liable.

In the process the personal section of CL which included dating and penpals was closed. Many people met their spouses and had long term relationships and friendships as a result of CL that they wouldn't have had in real life. I think it some ways that dating section was much better than the juiced up dating sites that have followed since. They are more about driving revenue than true connections.

I'm not sure if they solved the sex trade problem, but I don't think they have won the war on drugs either. Much like the gun lobbying crowd say innocent gun owners shouldn't be affected I would think in the same way users of internet services shouldn't be either.

But life isn't so black and white and many of us are unable to get beyond this stage of adolescence...

[-] loobkoob@kbin.social 75 points 11 months ago

Well I'm just glad Harry Mack managed to release his 100th episode of "Omegle Bars" this week. He decided to take a break from doing Omegle-based content at the right time, it seems.

For anyone who doesn't know, Harry Mack's a freestyle rapper. He has (had) a series where he'd ask strangers on Omegle to give him a handful of words and then create a full song out of them on the fly. And not just saying those words then immediately moving on like most freestyle rappers do; he actually creates entire verses on the topics he's given and really raps around them. Plus he'd be calling out things the people were doing as they react to him, responding to things they say, mentioning things he can see in the room, etc, as he raps.

Here's one of his freestyles that's really stuck with me ever since I first saw it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcA4zCeaPI

He takes what are some fairly negative, "cry for help" words from the girls and turns them into a really beautiful, positive rap overall. He's a very positive guy in general, and I've watched him consistently since I discovered him. Binging his videos got me through a breakup, in fact.


My own experiences with Omegle have either been penises or just bland, and it's not something I've used for many years as a result. But videos like Harry Mack's show what wonderful things could come from it and I do think it's a huge shame it's gone. It feels like another part of the old internet's gone, and that we're moving even closer to the sanitised, heavily-monetised internet run by megacorporations. I hate that.

[-] Bluesheep@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the link. I knew nothing about him and that was cool.

[-] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Harry Mack

Hands down the best freeflow rapper of all time. Just to watch him throw out a rap with random words and it makes sense is unbelievable.

Just amazing

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[-] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow that was a great read. Leif comes across as very perceptive on multiple fronts here.

Unfortunately I think his warning about the internet ending up like "souped up TV" is looking more likely by the day.

Right now it's quite easy to force a site or service to bend the knee to outside pressure. No matter how right or wrong that pressure is. People will go after hosting and ISPs, if that doesn't work they'll tie people up directly in the courts. You must provide real contact info and be willing to play ball if you operate on the old web.

Embracing encryption is the only thing I can think to do to avoid that. Which honestly kind of sucks, because while true anonymity would save sites like Omegle who act in good faith and police themsevles in a reasonable manner, others that don't will also be protected. I think the pros out weigh the cons with anonymity but that is a hard pill to swallow for many.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Solutions needed, how to get the great masses seamless access to the dark web.

And how to we make dark web DNS addresses not be stupid garbage ?

[-] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago

You'll just end with companies making the "dark web" mainstream and just turning it into shit just like they're doing with the regular web

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

As opposed to remaining in the festering shit pile that old web is becoming ?

[-] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 1 points 11 months ago

Just saying making the dark web easier to use isn't a solution, as soon as it gets mass adoption you're right back to square one

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

No the underlying structure is going to change the nature of it. Yes it will eventually get corrupted and the next thing will address that too.

[-] Cassus@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

I'd rather take garbage addresses instead of the current trend of enshitification.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Well then that's going to be an irrelevant nerd clubhouse

[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 11 months ago

Once upon a time the entire internet was an irrelevant nerd clubhouse. Those were good days.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Actually yes, but it also was great to get everybody in here. It's the vultures and their advertising friends that ruined the internet

[-] Guster@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

So many YouTube channels based around Omegle will have to pivot now

[-] CatUser@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Seriously are there still Omegle channels?

(I don't mean to be pedantic, I honestly thought it was a fad).

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

TheDooo, Harry Mack and Marcus Veltri were still very much making Omegle videos as recently as weeks ago. Huge loss for them that Omegle is gone.

[-] StraightArrow@feddit.de 34 points 11 months ago

Sad news.

I tried Omegle years ago close to when it came out and it was fun entertainment for a short while, though I didn't stick around because one of the issues was that if you ended up striking an interesting and wholesome conversation, you'd never meet this person again and this bothered me.

Reading its epitaph shows there was a lot of work done on it to maintain it and catch evil users, so I'm much more impressed now.

RIP Omegle, you were a nice experiment!

[-] Faresh@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I didn’t stick around because one of the issues was that if you ended up striking an interesting and wholesome conversation, you’d never meet this person again and this bothered me.

Couldn't you have offered some permanent contact such as social network profile to remain in contact with that human?

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[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 29 points 11 months ago

Thanks for sharing!

Looks like this is the norm now, Technofeudalism is here, goodbye capitalism.

Following the censorship over the years, looks similar to what happened with legacy media (main stream media).


Quote included in post:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis


In short, the Internet opened the door to a much larger, more diverse, and more vibrant world than I would have otherwise been able to experience; and enabled me to be an active participant in, and contributor to, that world. All of this helped me to learn, and to grow into a more well-rounded person.

In recent years, it seems like the whole world has become more ornery. Maybe that has something to do with the pandemic, or with political disagreements. Whatever the reason, people have become faster to attack, and slower to recognize each other’s shared humanity. One aspect of this has been a constant barrage of attacks on communication services, Omegle included, based on the behavior of a malicious subset of users.

Fear can be a valuable tool, guiding us away from danger. However, fear can also be a mental cage that keeps us from all of the things that make life worth living. Individuals and families must be allowed to strike the right balance for themselves, based on their own unique circumstances and needs. A world of mandatory fear is a world ruled by fear – a dark place indeed.

Unfortunately, what is right doesn’t always prevail. As much as I wish circumstances were different, the stress and expense of this fight – coupled with the existing stress and expense of operating Omegle, and fighting its misuse – are simply too much. Operating Omegle is no longer sustainable, financially nor psychologically. Frankly, I don’t want to have a heart attack in my 30s.

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 17 points 11 months ago

Can someone explain in short what problem people had about Omegle?

Was it that you can say things (and show things) there to a random person without any good possibility to trace it back to you because it's anonymous and more "temporary" then something like Lemmy for example?

Or was it just a witch hunt without any real reasonable structure?

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

People argue that despite its moderation, it was pretty vulnerable to exploitation and sex abuse

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 21 points 11 months ago

Ok, sounds like the standard claim for everything to me to be honest.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

It's crazy to sometimes stop to think about how many nice things we could have if it wasn't for pedophiles. Not a joke either, actually give it some thought.

[-] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 11 months ago

A lot of people also use pedophiles as a basis for their nefarious plans. "Protect the children" is a rallying cry of the alt right, despite how many child rapists exist in the cult.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

For sure but there are legit cultural things too that are affected. Say you walk by a playground and a kid falls off a tree or something and hurts himself, you can't see the kids parents anywhere and consoling him would risk you being perceived as a pervert. For consoling a kid that hurt itself. Like jesus what the fuck

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

What really? Where do you live? Here in Germany you can get in legal trouble when you see someone in an urgent need for help and you not help.

There is actual law about this. Section 323c of the German Criminal Code https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p3123

[-] Faresh@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Would failing to deliver CPR be considered a violation of this law?

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I remember using it and you had a bunch of creeps on there that sadly aren't unique to omegle, but once one site gets a reputation of any kind its hard to beat.

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[-] unreachable@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

it's kind of "surprising" after all those years of omegle operational, no other try to copy it.

unlike any other type of internet platform, such as vine vs ig short, yt short vs tiktok, twitch stream vs yt stream, and many of others

[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Chatroulette was similar

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

There is chatroulette.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Definitely recommemd the read.

[-] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

similar to craigslist personals.
and look how much better the world is now. /sarcasm

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