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I mostly use apps installed from F-Droid, so I’m not sure how I’ll use the phone, except that it’s sometimes required as a contact method.

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[–] vas@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

TL&DR; PinePhone. Longer explanation below

  1. I'll prepare for sacrifices. I should not blame the Open-Source alternatives that they're not on par with Android yet. It was Android's decision to become more closed, and I'll keep remembering it.

  2. I'll start using my PinePhone that I already own anyway. I've used it for a while, but there was less push for me to use back then. Without F-Droid, I'll press myself hard to adapt to PinePhone and will just stay there until it improves. I have 1-2 decades of experience of using non-mainstream software and see it improve with time. I'll learn. I'll adapt.

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

I guess just don't by one of these "certified Android devices". Might become a selling point. Other option would be to run SailfishOS (buy a Jolla phone) or install Ubuntu Touch / Mobian and use Anbox.

[–] 17lifers@sopuli.xyz 100 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

install them with adb. its a crucial feature for developers, so they won't easily get rid of it.

[–] berty@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do you get updates when installing via adb?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 week ago

Install them via adb, probably

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Is this manageable for the non-dev by chance? I can get by on a tutorial or too but if enough things break I'm feeling a dumbphone alt may be the only viable path

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depends on your comfort with CLI tools. Here's the process (assumes Windows):

  1. Download and extract platform tools
  2. Add that location to your PATH
  • Win + R, type "cmd", enter
  • set PATH=%PATH%;C:\your\path\here\ <- Temporary, just for the current session
  • setx /M path "%path%;C:\your\path\here\" <- Permanent
  1. On your device, go to Settings -> About and look for Build Number it can sometimes be buried in Software Information

  2. Tap Build Number repeatedly until a message appears You are now a developer

  3. You should now have a new Developer options menu item somewhere in your settings. Sometimes it's top level, sometimes it's buried under Additional Settings or Advanced Settings or the like

  4. Make sure USB Debugging is turned on

  5. Connect the device over USB

  6. Back on WIndows type:

  • adb devices
  • You might get a popup on the device asking if you want to allow USB debugging. Select Yes, and run adb devices again. You should see your device listed
  1. Download the APK of the app you want to install (AAB files are a PITA, but can be installed too. Try to get APK files though)
  2. Install with:
  • adb install C:/path/to/app.apk <- if adb devices only returns one device
  • adb -s <device_id> install C:/path/to/app.apk <- specific device

You can install updates the same way, just download the updated APK and add the -r flag adb install -r C:/path/to/app.apk

More useful adb commands

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Most of that stuff is automatable - except the bit about activating Developer mode and USB Debugging on the device (steps 3 to 6) which only needs to be done once per device - so I expect we will soon see several nice GUI tools that automate the rest and eventually we might even just see stuff that talks directly to the phone over USB via libusb and using the same protocol as ADB, so installing the Android Platform Tools won't at all be needed.

But yeah, at this point it requires people to at the very least be familiar with using the command line.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've started donating to PostmarketOS this month, so hopefully I'll be able to buy a device with decent support once my current phone needs replacing.

I already run LineageOS on my phone with microG instead of Gapps, so not much is going to change for me. There'll also be an update to Android 16 for me soon, LineageOS just announced that last weekend.

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 week ago

I only use app from f-droid on lineage and I don't have a google account anymore, if that stops being an option I guess I'll use an old dumb phone and fuck all.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 35 points 1 week ago

I will switch to Android roms that don't have that defect, and continue to buy and tinker with Linux phones when I can afford it, until they become daily-drivable.

[–] wellyon@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope there will be a good Linux phone in a few years that I can switch to. Would be great with it was compatible with the latest Fairphone by then, for a true FOSS and ethical phone.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll root and/or use ADB to install APKs. Fuck Google.

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[–] deathrattledregs@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago

Staying on Graphene for the time being. AFAIK should be able to still install apps whatever way I see fit.

Graphene's team has stated that they are looking into OEM's to potentially work out a solution to make a suitable device to run GOS, since Google is locking things down.

If it really comes to it, (long term), I'll make the jump to a Linux mobile device, whether that's a phone or a custom solution.

Just because corpo's are making things difficult, doesn't mean I'm going to cave. I started this privacy journey 6 years ago and I'm not about to undo it because of greed and inconvenience.

[–] Benchamoneh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

I moved to GrapheneOS about a month ago, not too long after the announcement. Bought a used Pixel and jumped. TBH moving to Graphene was something I'd considered for a while for privacy reasons but Google gave me that last push.

There are some different ways of doing things but I've really enjoyed the transition overall.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel embarassed to say this as someone who is fairly techy, but I'm a little confused by the whole brouhaha.

Is Google making changes to Android, or to AOSP?

If Google is making changes to the Android fork they put on their own phones, then fuck 'em. Use Graphene. Use e/OS/, use Lineage...use something that forks their own branch of AOSP and Google can pound sand because those forks are in no way obligated to make the same changes as Google. AOSP is open source for that very reason.

If Google is making those changes to AOSP itself, which means that anyone who uses AOSP as a base have those changes by default, then isn't Google obligated to keep those changes as Open Source, in which case anyone else who uses AOSP can just remove them from their own fork?

Someone explain like I'm a particularly dim five-year-old, please.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've also been confused about this, but this is my take on it.

You're correct that they are making these changes to Android and not AOSP. This means that an OS like Graphene or e/OS/ will still be able to use sideloaded apps and other appstores like F-Droid.

I think the reason everyone is freaking out about this, is that it hurts appstores like F-Droid. It has a chilling effect on apps that are released to alternative app stores and may cause those stores to fail over time, thus killing FOSS apps at the point of distribution.

That said, this is also over my head technically, so I would love if someone more knowledgable could weigh in.

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[–] vortexal@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, I know that I probably wont be buying anymore android devices and I know for sure that I'll never buy an iOS device. But outside of that I'm not sure, I'll have to wait and see how things play out. If possible, I'd like to be able to use Linux or at least custom versions of android but, as of now, most of my devices don't have custom roms available and the two that do haven't been supported in years. I have looked into Linux phones, tablets and other portable devices like the Steam deck and the Legion Go S but they are very expensive and there isn't even a way for me to purchase some them.

I am also aware of ADB commands but I've never used them before. If they are easy enough to use without potentially bricking my devices, I am not opposed to using them.

[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 20 points 1 week ago

LineageOS user here, so nothing will change for me. Perhaps in the long-term Google might kill off AOSP for good, in which case I'll seriously consider a so-called real Linux device. Cautiously optimistic about the FSF's Librephone project, which right now is attempting to reverse engineer blobs in Android devices.

I already have a Pinephone sitting around so maybe I'll re-flash Mobian on it and play around with it. In the long term my ideal distro would be Guix or some Guix derivative.

[–] ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I'll happily continue using my GrapheneOS Pixel since nothing will change for 3d-party ROMs :)

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Until it does. Google is already closing development, so the GrapheneOS devs will have a more difficult time rebasing their changes to AOSP each snapshot.

[–] ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's a moving target for sure. For now, the devs seem to be very certain that AOSP will stay and that they will still be able to port GOS on new devices (although it will take more time and work).

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

Well, I did do app development for Android for a couple of years, so I'll be using ADB it install APKs in any device affected if needed.

I'll also never do development work for Android ever again, beyond making utilities for myself if need something like that.

Beyond that, I'll never buy an Android device that cannot be unlocked. Last one I got was a Xiaomi phone, which at the time could be unlocked (which I did and installed an alternative ROM on it before I started using it), but they stopped that so Xiaomi isn't going to be getting any more money from me.

Mid to long-term, I expect Linux devices are the solution. I'm especially interested in getting a Linux tablet (7" or 8") to replace the tablet I currently use mostly for book reading and internet browsing when I'm out and about (hence the size needs to be small enough to fit a back or jacket pocket).

When I started looking into it, my expectation was that Linux tablets would make even more sense as devices than phones since they're closer to notebooks in terms of how they're used, but I haven't really found all that many out there - there are more Linux phones than tablets - and all of them were 10" or more (so, too large for my use case).

(PS: suggestions welcome, even just stuff I can root and install something like Ubuntu Touch on it)

Am I so unusal in wanting an portable computing device with a big enough screen to read stuff, for the purpose of consuming media rather than working on (so no keyboard need), which is not so big that I need to haul it in a backpack, not a full-blown smartphone with all the bells as whistles (I already have a smarphone on my pocket with mobile data, camera and GPS, so why would I need that shit AGAIN on a tablet???) and not a locked-down system like iOS or Android?

[–] Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I'll just keep using grapheneOS.

[–] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been using GrapheneOS for a while, which should minimise disruptions, but I'm also hoping the Linux phone ecosystem improves before Google locks down Android completely.

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[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

If it really interferes, same thing as when YouTube started enshittifying: use it less and likely be better off.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have read you will still be able to install using ADB and I figure I will do that since I have done that a lot in the past anyway.

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[–] Notamoosen@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm likely going to use ladb to sideload "directly" on the device. I'm really hoping there are some legal challenges and/or bad pr to make them back down. I'm also considering picking up a Fairphone 4 or 5 and running CalyxOS as a plan B.

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[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)
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[–] SuperDuperKitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm currently using GrapheneOS on my Pixel phone I brought secondhand so think I should (for now) be okay?

Otherwise, Linux phone looks interesting but it just relearning both another OS (like iPhone users trying to learn Android and vice versa) and also just I have low income so buying new tech is just expensive.

I don't want to throw myself a deepend to an OS that I not as familiar with beside on my desktop and Raspberry Pi. Personally, I prefer to know what's there before I just go blind so at least I can manage my expectation than expected it to do 1:1 stuff that I do on my phone right now.

I don't know yet, I'm going to keep track of developments around this and see what the community comes up with. I refuse to be bent over by tech giants.

[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 12 points 1 week ago

Use an alternative ROM. That is what I do now.

[–] 123213217362131231@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 week ago

Find a phone to use plasma mobile on most likely.

ADB in the meantime.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Man this is depressing. I'm hoping the EU will put a stop to this.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago

I'm fed up enough to try Ubuntu on my phone. But probably will use a custom ROM. And I will never ever buy a phone that is not confirmed unlocked. I hope others do the same. And I wish the locked phone companies many hours of doom scrolling on their unsalable phones.

[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

keep using graphene os

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Keep on using my phone till a good Linux phone or similar releases.

Short term, my next phone will have Harmony NextOS installed. I'd rather give my data to China than the US and 5-Eyes.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Use my phone less.

I can't think of a single app I use that doesn't have a desktop/web version.

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