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Here is a link to my other post where I expressed my thoughts much better, if you are interested you can take a look -- https://lemmy.world/post/37101088
I find this kind of sentiment a bit funny, because we already have much worse
Credit scores are opaque ratings of people kept by private organisations used to refuse business to people effectively based on their spending & borrowing behaviour, many of these will now happily encourage you to link your accounts so they get itemised data from some people now too.
This could literally be happening today and they would just need to say "sorry your credit isn't good enough". Credit score factors into your ability to rent & buy accommodation in the UK already.
There's no reason for these companies to switch to using a government ID for these kinds of decisions because that would have to be a more transparent process and less easily used to their benefit.
FWIW, I'm against mandatory ID even though we effectively already have it in the form of national insurance. IMO the ID being digital should be a non issue as long as it's optional (there also needs to be a free physical version of any national identity for those without phones).
I support your opinion that something similar already exists, and I am also interested in why it is necessary to introduce a digital ID?
But you know, there was that old comedy where people handed over all their data and decision-making to an intelligent computer, and now we see AI, and eventually this nonsense is considered normal. See what I'm getting at?.. What seems crazy today may become normal after a while.
I don't think it's necessary, but I can see some of the reasons it might be introduced
Firstly digital IDs typically come with obvious convenience benefits for the user. E.g. apparently Gen Z doesn't really carry wallets, so this means they have a way of getting ID that's better for that way of doing things. They should also be harder to forge, so hopefully can help reduce fraud and identity theft.
I'd say from a government's perspective, a digital ID program is cheaper to run and allows them to speed up access to some government services. I'd say most of the opportunities for abuse from the government come from when the ID becomes a mandatory thing, then you might get voter suppression and limitations of access to public services
This was done to Wikileaks fifteen years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Financial_blockade
Yes, but it evolves!!!
Doesn't this already happen in China?
"At least I'm not in China", I mutter just as the force feeding tube is shoved down my throat and my wrist shackles are reattached to my ankle shackles.
Right now, both governments suck, but Americans are usually more rebellious than the average mainland Chinese, which has always been something I liked about the US. I mean you hear about all the protests in the US? Widespread protests like these NEVER happens in mainland China. My mother still tells me to shut to about my anti-PRC views even tho we're not there anymore, and now have citizenship in another country, and I'm never going there again. Like the whole mindset of people are different. I have 50% hopes that Americans can turn this around, I have like zero hope about PRC, it's doomed, and I've already mentally given up on it. My homehand is occupied by tyranny and a population that just absolutely apathetic about the situation and doesn't give a shit.
No, they are paragons of truth and progress. -3 social credit score
If it is just ID but on the phone then it is a sensible idea with a couple of millions precautions to take care of. Case in point - Diia is fine if flawed realization of Digital ID and digital governance application. You just need to get through a dozen or so data leaks because we got our pentesting permanently outsourced to guys up east but aside from that - it is broadly fine.
IMO, the meme works better without the bottom text.
Asset freezing happens without digital IDs. I’m not getting the connection.
Those freezes occur today due to court rulings and proceedings
This is removing someone’s economic ability through “they’re being mean to me and my Nazi friends”
Obviously there’s a huge difference
This just makes it easier and essentially instantaneous
“Your credit score looks ok but your social score is lacking, sorry I can’t rent you this apartment”
Straight out of the Black Mirror episode.
One more reason why privacy online is so important.
Many countries have digital IDs already and nothing like this is happening. Digital ID has nothing to do we censorship or freezing of bank accounts. Online Safety act was introduces without digital ID. I have a digital ID but I don't have to show it anywhere.
Ok but imagine if you're under a fascist government like in America rn or a genocidal goverment like Israel
You say anything bad about Israel's actions? digital ID revoked at the literal click of a button, can't do anything You say anything bad about ICE? digital ID revoked at the literal click of a button, can't do anything
doesn't help that fascism is growing in lots of countries
Maybe if the world wasn't shifting to the fascism it would be a good thing. But in a fascist world, digital IDs will be used to persecute people.
Leas government surveillance is always a good thing in a fascist world.