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Signal can then claim it has no control over what user-made Add-ons are installed and used for. They just support the framework, which is not illegal, just like media players support playing illegal content but don't create such content.

For people out of the loop: EU soon likely enacts Chat Control 2.0 which will force chat services to hand over keys so governments can read all your personal messages.

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[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

For the love of money or god or whatever, can law makers please understand that all this is pushing the actual bad actors deeper into networks they can't get at.

Any group of individuals with enough IT knowledge will just run systems that bypass all the checks in mainstream systems!

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They know. That's not the point of these things. The point is to spy on you. It's not any more complicated than that. They want to spy on you and they are straight up lying about it.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

That is absolutely what the public needs to understand although we've been through several iterations of this already.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 3 points 2 days ago

And couldn't bad actors just host some kind of network of Matrix servers that aren't accessible on the public web and the whole thing is moot anyways?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

Although lots of idiots into child abuse stuff are dumb as doors, this is true. Natural selection comes into play and they will find other ways. In the meantime we collectively lose our basic rights forever.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's no such thing as a technological solution to a legal problem.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago

There's no legal solution to a technological problem. Laws are always temporary, for better or worse.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's not about prohibiting e2ee; it's about enforcing client-side scanning.

Yes, that also breaks e2ee, but they can still go "nooo! E2ee is still perfectly fine and legal! You know, as long as we get to read anything anyways"

And realistically, this will probably end up being implemented on an OS-level as well. So even using a self-hosted matrix server would not be immune.

Not to mention that both you and your conversation partner needs to take steps to evade this; one party is not sufficient.

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 1 points 2 days ago
[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It'll probably be illegal to use encryption too.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

"Infinite money glitch actively exploited by Australians as laws of math no longer apply to the country - Economy is simultaneously in tatters and going "super excellent" as fingers lose their use for counting"

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They'll just pass Chat Control Enhanced Edition+ Addendum™ to close any loopholes.