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I'm thinking about paying for a VPN, I currently don't use one.

I'd like to use Mullvad but they don't seem to have regional prices, while Proton does.

I wonder if Proton is still a reliable option, Proton is 60% cheaper in my country, probably because regional pricing (but I didn't check if it's really the case).

If anyone has any other suggestion I'd like to hear it.

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[–] rozodru@piefed.social 8 points 3 hours ago

Mullvad.

All you are to them is an account number. that's it. no name, no email, nothing. you can even pay in cash. while mullvad's GUI is still meh their CLI is top notch and very quick.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 24 points 7 hours ago

I like mullvad because I can pay for it with vouchers and have nothing to tie my payment to my account#

I don't think any other VPN can do that.

Theres also the fact that mullvad was raided by the (Swedish)police and even though they fully complied, the police ended up walking away with nothing because mullvad had nothing to give them.

Proton on the other hand, will at the very least be storing your email, payment info, and possibly other info in your account that mullvad won't. I also don't like how they have aligned themselves with conservative politics.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Proton's CEO sucks. I canceled my extremely low-priced, grandfathered subscription and moved elsewhere. I had been a user since basically day one, a subscriber since available, and converted family members and friends to it. Not anymore.

Mullvad has been stellar. Fast, anonymous, easy to use. Zero complaints.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 7 hours ago

Damn, I couldn't let go of my extremely-low priced grandfathered subscription. I contemplated about it and getting both mullvad and tuta but it ads up more than what I pay proton.

Also, I believe proton ceo apologized or something like that

[–] CountVlad47@feddit.org 29 points 11 hours ago

I chose Mullvad because they don't ask for any personal details and you can pay anonymously, which means that their service is privacy protecting by design. You don't have to rely so much on trust.

Proton seems to be a large and rapidly expanding company which looks like it's trying to be a more privacy respecting competitor to Google's many services. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I prefer companies that value stability over rapid expansion. I also don't like relying on a potential single point of failure for everything. I have a Proton e-mail account but I don't use any of their other services because I don't want everything in the same place.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I use Proton VPN only because I use Proton everything else. If not, I'd probably consider Mullvad. But I'm in the US and regional pricing doesn't apply.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago

Same. Use Proton to get the suite of tools for 1 price. Mullvad if you just need a VPN.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

The main difference I see between the two is that Mullvad no longer offers port forwarding services and ProtonVPn does offer port forwarding services.

This can make a big difference based on your use-case scenarios. If you are gaming and need port forwarding or are torrenting and need port forwarding Protonvpn is the better choice.

I use Mullvad and game. Split tunneling lets you bypass the VPN to game. Port forwarding is useful for torrenting. Probably a few other things too.

[–] adj@sh.itjust.works 13 points 13 hours ago

I use both (not suggesting that). I mostly use Proton because it's already included in my plan, and they seem to have more connections to choose from, but I frequently have to switch because the one I'm on starts to get really slow. I like Mullvad's flat pricing and lack of commitment (they even accept cash), and it was an easier setup on Linux (at least Arch).

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 8 points 14 hours ago

I've never tried Mulvad, but Proton, while it has LOTS of exit nodes, which is good for avoiding blocks, is quite bad at any individual node remaining up and recovering automatically on an outage. If your use case is actively connecting for watching youtube or netflix or whatever in another country on a laptop that's mostly off or not VPNed and you don't care, that's great, but if you want to VPN for bittorrent or another always connected purpose from a server or VPS...

[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

Both of them are decent VPN choices at the end of the day. If one is 60% cheaper then the choice should be very easy unless you have too much money on your hand. Try 1 month of each and make a choice.

[–] ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw 2 points 10 hours ago

For sailing the seas, I like CryptoStorm.is Good speed with port forwarding.

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

It's kind of sad, that people still believe that VPN is a safe option. Sure, it ads a layer, but anyone who wants to know who you are, can find out by your fingerprints, your accounts, anything you put out there. So if you do anything but light surfing, then you are not anonymous with VPN.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

people still believe that VPN is a safe option

What does that sentence even mean without context?

Safe against whom? I'm pretty convinced a VPN is safe against :

  • your boss or manager if you somehow browse on your corporate network
  • your flatmates or family member if you browse at home and do not necessary trust them or whomever setup the router
  • your school
  • the manager of the cafe you are using WiFi on

I'm pretty convinced might be safe against larger scale surveillance :

  • your ISP if it is not doing deep packet inspection (and that's pretty much per country basis AFAICT)

I'm pretty convinced might NOT be safe against professional individual surveillance :

  • state level professionals using exploits and actually knowing your name, not your nickname
  • your VPN provider or the cloud provider you rely on to install the backend side of Wireguard or OpenVPN

So... no I don't think anyone can make your VPN pointless. Clearly the random person sitting next to me in a cafe can not. Only few people with the technical expertise or power can do that. None of that matters though if you already volunteer your information elsewhere publicly on private platforms like Instagram or YouTube though.

[–] CodenameDarlen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Facebook got my precise location just using my IP, I decided to create a fake account to use FB market place, they warned me about an "unknown login", it's the first time I've seen this, usually websites only know approximate location, but this time just by knowing my IP they hit exactly the small town where I live, instead of near towns which is the normal. I suspect they had my IP from other devices allowing location in the same network (same wifi), then they could safely associate that IP with my exact location even tho I didn't enable any GPS any time.

[–] Sarothazrom@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Under no circumstance does that mean it is not worth getting one. Particularly dependent on where one lives.

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It certainly does - if you don't know how to actually use it in a proper way, because then it becomes totally meaningless to even have VPN... No matter where you live. Please read up on what it does and does not!

https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/7-dangerous-vpn-myths-you-probably-believe

https://www.tomsguide.com/features/are-you-really-invisible-when-you-use-a-vpn

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Yes locks on your door are pointless because if someone wants to break into your house they're going to do it once way or another, especially if you leave the window open

This is a dumb take.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Mullvad VPN is more private but I find I'm being asked to prove I'm human more often. Proton VPN I don't trust with anything like piracy because they're a large company with too much to lose by being overly private.

EDIT: Oh, and reminder that you should use the Mullvad browser too if you want to keep anything private.

[–] RyanDownyJr@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Vote for the unlisted AirVPN because extremely easy to use, very moderate pricing, and specifically why I needed it, port forwarding.

[–] Clark@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago

Why don't you use a decentralized VPN like NymVPN? It's impossible for the company or anyone to take logs because your traffic is routed over several nodes. It's like Tor but a decentralized one.

[–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Moved from Proton to Mullvad to Windscribe

Proton kept getting worse and is moving towards a walled garden.

Mullvad seemed great on the private payment front. Their apps are pretty solid. The device limit was too low for me. For 6-10 devices the price doubles.

Windscribe won me over with their build a plan option. Their apps aren't the most visually appealing but get the job done.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How is proton moving to a walled garden?

[–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

A la carte pricing has gone out the window in favor of bundles. This enables the same subsidization model of business used by Apple, Google, etc. Even when you pay, they display ads and reminders to get you to upgrade to higher tiers. Drive launched in beta only for paid users. Drive now encourages the use of their proprietary document format. They hand out storage bonuses for each year of membership. That's not a sustainable long-term practice and purposefully creates stickiness. Generally speaking, they don't have easy export tools, so they're not very interoperable. Forwarding emails sent to @proton.me or @protonmail.com addresses to a new inbox is not possible unless you're a paying customer, which makes switching more difficult.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 0 points 12 hours ago

If you care about things beyond the operations, the Proton boss came out in support of 47's adminstration with regards to regulating big tech IIRC. I'm not aware the Mullvad chief did something similar.

Proton works well. But it's designed to be the basket for all your eggs (VPN, office suite, email, etc.). They want you to use all their services and push for upgrades to the highest tier. I found their customer support you be ... very ... slow.

If you need port forwarding, AirVPN is another option. I think they're cheaper than Mullvad but it's held together by dedication and duct tape. It works okay but read their website first to see if you're okay with how it's set up.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world -4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Any reason Private Internet Access (PIA) isn’t in the running? I’ve been using it for years now with no complaints or issues.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Owned by an ad-targetting company, which itself is owned by an Israeli billionaire with ties to the military.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Oof, seriously? I had no idea. Fuck.

Edit - just looked it up, Kape Technologies via parent company owned by Ted Sagi.

[–] PeachMan@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Why do you want a VPN? Is it just for some light piracy? Staying safe on public wifi? Or do you actually NEED to maintain your privacy, with real consequences if you can't?

If you need true privacy, the answer is Mullvad. But there's also more required than just switching on a VPN if you want privacy. If you want a convenient and easy VPN that's part of a bigger privacy-focused suite of tools, then I'd recommend Proton. They make some pretty good products.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Not your problem.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Why do you want a VPN? Is it just for some light piracy? Staying safe on public wifi? Or do you actually NEED to maintain your privacy, with real consequences if you can’t?

Nice try, FBI.