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[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 3 days ago (20 children)
[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We had a few good Linux phones back in the day but Nokia / Microsoft killed them trying to compete with iPhone OS and Android: Maemo / Meego were great but did not get a proper chance.

Jolla continued the legacy and Sailfish OS is still something worth checking out if you can find suitable hardware, or idk how complex it is to port it.

Seems to be new Jolla phone coming up at some point too: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/23882

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 147 points 4 days ago (4 children)
[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

~~Don't be evil~~

Be evil when it makes money.

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[–] art@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm starting to think these for-profit companies only care about making money.

[–] edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

gulp You might be right

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 62 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Let's hope that the rest of the world, specifically Europe smash this ridiculous proposal apart for what it is. Europe has already sorted out USB-C etc. Its not perfect and they don't get everything right, but certainly big enough to make stuff right.

[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 42 points 3 days ago

They're too busy forcing chat control and age gates through our collective throats.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yep. The E.U. has allowed itself to be dominated for too long by the US megacorps. It has the talent, ideas, and manufacturing to tell US firms to bugger off ... and the sooner, the better for us all.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago (12 children)

What pisses me off it that they say they do this for security. It changes absolutely anything.

They really think that malware developers will say "oh no! I need to submit a picture of an id card to sign my malware! It's literally impossible to submit a jpg of a stolen id card, I'm ruined and out of a job!"

What does it change? Waste 20 minutes of some malware developer while they register under a stolen id? They already have a system that scans for known malware and automatically remove it.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's always security when someone wants to take our freedom away. Always security...

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Not always. It can also be about the children.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Thing is, Play Store is already filled with malware or near-malware from seemingly verified developers. I ran into several scam clone apps just today. It's even snuck in through OEM apps.

Same on iOS, which supposedly verifies devs.

If 'verification' and curation is their idea of security, well... It appears their system is already overloaded, yet they want to expand it?

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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 241 points 4 days ago (42 children)

Have we ever lived in a more stallmanwasright.jpg time?

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 135 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Ah. Well. About software. Stallman was right about software

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Graphene users REPRESENT

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 127 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Isn't this illegal in Europe? Was that the whole point of forcing apple to allow alternative app stores?

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[–] ezterry@lemmy.zip 44 points 4 days ago

I am perfectly ok with android apps being required to be signed by not just a certificate (they always were just it could be self signed and just needed to match to upgrade without removing data) but a list of trusted entities.

As long as:

  • I can install my own key on my phone (I'd I am trusted)
  • major distributors like fdroid and have a key installed without friction (like web CAs)
  • Google let's me mark their key as untrusted (I probably won't but I should be able to refuse things they trust (at install time, not disabling preloaded apps like settings)

Without this it feels too much extending the monopoly despite being forced to allow 3rd party stores.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 days ago

The justification is simple, I don't see the confusion, they want absolute power and for all alternatives to wither and die ? What is there not to understand ?

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 135 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I am really glad to see these articles popping up now. Since the news broke a week back or so it was suspiciously quiet about this, despite lots of negative comments here.

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[–] blueworld@piefed.world 92 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For those in Europe, write your representatives.

Fro me f-droid's post: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html

What do we propose?

Regulatory and competition authorities should look carefully at Google’s proposed activities, and ensure that policies designed to improve security are not abused to consolidate monopoly control. We urge regulators to safeguard the ability of alternative app stores and open-source projects to operate freely, and to protect developers who cannot or will not comply with exclusionary registration schemes and demands for personal information.

If you are a developer or user who values digital freedom, you can help. Write to your Member of ParliamentCongressperson or other representative, sign petitions in defense of sideloading, and contact the European Commission’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) team to express why preserving open distribution matters. By making your voice heard, you help defend not only F-Droid, but the principle that software should remain a commons, accessible and free from unnecessary corporate gatekeeping.

https://f-droid.org/2025/09/04/twif.html [^antifeatures]: F-Droid Anti-Features overview: https://f-droid.org/docs/Anti-Features/ [^howmanyusers]: How many F-Droid users are there, exactly? We don’t know, because we don’t track users or have any registration. “No user accounts, by design”: https://f-droid.org/2022/02/28/no-user-accounts-by-design.html [^sideloading]: ‘“Sideload” is a weird euphemism that the mobile duopoly came up with; it means “installing software without our permission,” which we used to just call “installing software” (because you don’t need a manufacturer’s permission to install software on your computer).’ — Pluralistic: Darth Androidhttps://pluralistic.net/2025/09/01/fulu/ [^playprotect]: “Google Play Protect checks your apps and devices for harmful behavior”: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853

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[–] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Contact your representative. And here's F-droid's article about it (including how to find your representative at the end of the article): https://f-droid.org/en/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 82 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I will literally go without a smartphone if Google does this, this is insane I would have bought an iphone if I wanted a junk device I don't actually own.

[–] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If this effects de-googled android, I will probably start investing in Linux phones.

I would rather have a limited phone than has full freedom than one that makes everyone go through Google.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 102 points 4 days ago (14 children)

There's never been a more urgent time to switch to Linux on pretty much every device.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 58 points 4 days ago (17 children)

The mobile options for Linux are years out from being ready and the hardware vendors are locking them out as fast as possible.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Open source community keeps trusting Google and they keep using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 63 points 4 days ago (4 children)
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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Year of the Linux Phone" has a nice ring to it.

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[–] leastaction@lemmy.ca 44 points 4 days ago (20 children)

It seems to me that part of the problem is overreliance on phones as computing devices. A lot of things, like banking, are best done on an actual computer. We have become too dependent on phones.

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[–] damon@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Hopefully they go to court to get an injunction. Hopefully, they also go to the powers that be in the EU, those same powers have been so focused on the Apple App Store they failed to take into account Google can do something like this with the Play Store. It would be a shame for the F-Droid project to end but it is completely avoidable.

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