Shoot them down, it won’t happen again.
this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2025
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Yeah. In retrospect, it always seems pretty stupid that we thought we could just resolve things with diplomacy and the rabid dog hanging around the building will probably just calm down and stay in the back section and we just won't go there.
I feel like escalating to war because that's clearly what's up, and whatever happens happens, oh well, is one of the few areas where Churchill had it 100% right in the lead up to the global war.
I'm still a little concerned about the presence of nuclear weapons in the mix. Retrospection about escalation pre-WWII seems to be slightly off the mark give the scale of the armament...
Yes which is why it's so important to react firmly to someone who's deliberately playing brinksmanship with a nuclear-armed defensive alliance, so as to correctly pass the can-I-push-the-boundaries test Putin is giving here. This is like lesson #1 about dealing with bullies.
I think they should have shot down the fighters and then sent footage of the falling wreckage to Putin overlaid with the "Curb Your Enthusiam" music and fade out with "Stay in your own airspace pls and thank you."
In 2022 it was impossible for Putin to use nukes, because launching nuclear weapons is one of the only thing in the Russia where the president really has no chance of deciding on things alone. Gerasimov is a professional soldier, and worked only because it's his job. He has no actual values in play, except pride of being skilled at his job, and he will not allow his family to die just because of the Russia's "honour" being violated. Similarly, Šojgu is a bootlicker who does everything for personal gain and the Moscow being obliterated by nukes is not something he sees as an acceptable price for anything at all. And in the Russia you need an order from the people in all of those three positions, or nothing will be launched.
Putin could never get Šojgu and Gerasimov to give such orders, and he knows that had he tried to, he would have lost his head almost immediately. Those people would have seen Putin as a direct threat to their loved ones, as would have most of who have any influence in the Russia. That would have been Putin's end.
Now, the leadership of the military has been restructured to be more accommodating to Putin's will, but it's still not at a level where Putin can trust he'll get both orders given by the other two people. And if he tries and fails ... well, read above. His head will roll. Now he would actually have a chance of success, but he's still maybe 80 % likely to fail if he tries. And actually... PACO.
Now is still a time when we can safely use military power against the Russia without a danger of a nuclear war. That time will not last forever, because Putin does want to use nukes and he is working to make it possible. He will, however, still need plenty more time for that. Luckily for him, especially Germans are giving it to him. Ironically, because they are afraid of nukes and don't bother looking into how launching nukes works in the Russia.
Fascinating take, thanks for your perspective.
but maybe appeasement will work this time!!!
/s
Turkey did it and look what happened to them!
Their airspace was not violated again.
Actually it was. But in much lesser ways.
Russia doesn't seem like the kind of country that learns lessons like that. They're more like the kind thats looking for reasons to start more wars.
Nah, Russia actually respects force because it’s one of the few languages they truly do understand. Putin flexes his power to see how much he can get away with, and only really backs down when others start flexing too. Turkey unflinchingly shot down two Russian fighter jets that entered their airspace. That was a decade ago, and Turkey hasn’t had an issue with them since.
Worked pretty well for turkey, they shot down 2 russian fighter jets, resulting in the death of 1 pilot. Russia did not violate their airspace again.
It did, but much less severely.
The russia does not learn, you have to force them.
Start shooting them down
More and more it seems like the plan is for Trump to keep Canada, Mexico, and the EU busy to leave Eastern Europe defenseless against Cum Daddy Putin can