The world wants a free Palestine : palestine

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

It's nice to know that a generation of Germans saying they had a "special understanding" of genocide because of their history were right. They had a special understanding of how to get away with enacting and supporting genocides.

Like, I'm not German. But literally everything they teach about their history and being "accepting" of their peoples crimes. Like, do they just throw that in a trashbin now and go back to full fascist again?

With the way they treat Muslims it seems so. Thousands of Holocaust scholars and historians just completely useless to that society.

You're not "special" Germans. Your brain rot is rivaling that of America.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

As a german, the whole "we learned from our mistakes and render our backs bloody each morning" was never real, well only as real as those white people in america who cosplay as slaves to "wash away" white privilege or something. And it only happened truly in the 80s, there was revisionist history abound, just like in southern united states.

The narrative was always very limited and bent to exclude political opponents du jour, after all west germany was supposed to fight slavs, communists and soviets which were 2/3 of the nazi enemies. Preventing actual resurgence of nazism would have meant dismantling capitalist white supremacist and imperialist power structures and in the end UK, France and the United States were counting on those staying.

[–] PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the de-nazification of Germany never truly happened. CEOs complicit in the violence got let go. I think there is a fern video on that. I believe (this)[https://youtu.be/-WX5zOdMprc] outlines some of the most prevelant nazi CEOs that got away.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

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[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

As a person of foreign origin who spent a part of life growing up in Germany. Screw most Germans. Weird jingoistic people. Beautiful country.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

German here. Couldn't agree more.

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its not all German's but the ones in power and the idiots eating their shitty propaganda. The majority 52% has a negative view of isreal, not everyone is of the understanding that its a genocide only 33%. 66% approve sactions on arms export. The crimes of the second world war are still taught a lot in school. The unfiltered history is still on display in museum etc. (i don't know of any country that does that, most countries with a dark history just push it under a rug and never mention it.) That being said our current government is right-wing piece of shit flirting with the new popular fascist party and taking legitimacing their ideas. Its bad and people seem more brain damaged than ever atm. The divide and conquer tactic is working, extremely well on the population.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Very interesting take. Are you German? I hadn't heard those stats and I'd guess they are recent. Seems like a shift like many other western nations people not agreeing with their ruling class. My worry is that it is fueled by the same shift the US is seeing with anti Israel "America first" fascist movements. But would like to hear your take.

I've been saying for years that the normalization of Muslim hatred in the west will inevitably become xenophobic in general and Israel is the first target for that. But unfortunately, I think that comes to power under right wing movements that hypocritically use Israels actions to paint Jewish populations as the next target.

Using the genocide of a Zionist state to first support it to fuel anti Muslim hatred. Then shift into a full xenophobic campaign. Using the west newfound hatred for Israel to target Jews and other minorities in the war. While at the same time STILL supporting Israels Ethnostate project bt exporting Jews and exploited immigrants to its fascist project in West Asia.

Sorry. A bit of a rant. The jump to "deporting Jews" is probably my own take. But if we shift from the crypto fascism of Trump to the Neo-Nazi movements that support him I don't think it's far off.

I would say that's possible if Vance takes power. Or, we have 4 years of a liberal president failing to provide material improvements for the working class again. And we get an even worse outcome after that as the right wing takes power.

Ironically, I think Trump is the crypto fascist standing in the way of what most of his supporters and cabinet really want. And we see it in parts of his administration he hands of entirely to them (ICE being the most obvious).

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I believe this will end either in nazi dictatorship or civil war. The us doesn't have many options. And they are shockingly unprepared for authoritarianism.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck my abstaining govt

[–] PostaL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Username checks out

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Further info: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/09/1165835

In regards to the countries that voted against, this was the "defense" of its position the Zionist entity offered before the vote:

Speaking ahead of the vote, Israeli Ambassador Danny Danon said that “this one-sided Declaration will not be remembered as a step toward peace, only as another hollow gesture that weakens this Assembly’s credibility.”

He said that “Hamas is the biggest winner of any endorsement here today” and will declare it “the fruit of 7 October”.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So those who opposed:

Argentina - Milei
Hungary: Orbán is a very close friend of ISSrahell and has been one of the most openly fash countries in europe for a while.
Micronesian Federation: US colony (FASs)
Nauru: US & Australian colony, actual proposed to be a free associated state (FASs)
Palau: See Micronesia
Papua New Guinea: Tinto Rio/UK/Australia/US colony (they build like a big base there recently)
Paraguay: Traditionally a close us ally in LATAM. The Bush family owns over 100k acres of land of the Guaraní Aquifer. They even still have a relationship with Tawain.
Tonga: Mormon colony, See Micronesia.

[–] redparadise@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's confirmed, the UN is Hamas.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

American here. Want free Palestine.

Edit: Wait, Argentina is fucked too? What's wrong with them? Didn't expect that.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

A whole lotta nazis

[–] dsilverz@calckey.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

@ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com @dessalines@lemmy.ml

The current president of Argentina is someone named "Javier Milei", the one who gave a chainsaw to Elongated in order to symbolize their shared "libertarian" (anarcho-capitalist) views. Guess this answers (part of) what's wrong with Argentina and why they shill whatever the current USian administration shills.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Argentina has a large Jewish population

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

It is the details that matter. When you color Puerto Rico as having abstained, even though it is part of the US, it gives gives zionists ammo to question the rest of the infographic.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wait, India, Nepal and Bangladesh(?) abstrained? The West doing that is expected (because they fully wanted to vote no but was worried about the backlash) but why those countries?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Well we know India is pretty big fan of fascism so there is that.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Money.

Also Bangladesh is green.

[–] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

is the graphic from geopolitical economy report ? good channel

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. I never hear other content creators mention him. But have been watching for years now. Dude just keeps dropping good Marxist analysis on global economics that keeps coming true.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yup!

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So most of the strongest economic countries that can hurt israel voted no or abstention is is simply like voting no.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

fucking hungary, just full force shouting "guys guys we're evil too! arent we cool?"

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

Shame to those who abstained

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Surprising to see Greece not abstaining.

[+] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world -19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be slightly balanced, Russia doesn't give a shit either way, they just voted opposite of the US. Still though, the point isn't lost on me

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Good point, they only oppose genocide opportunistically, whereas the US / NATO countries support genocide, but in a good wholesome way.

/s

[+] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world -7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean... both would be opportunistically, but that wasn't my point. I support a free Palestine, I'm on your guys' side (despite the downvotes)! I was just trying to say that Russia's condemnation of one genocide doesn't really mean shit in my opinion, especially while enacting their own genocide barely 1000 miles away.

tl;dr I was shit-talking Russia, not Palestine

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just so you know, the insistence of western liberals on reducing the word 'genocide' to just mean 'anything bad our enemies do' is a big part of how Israel was able to perform an actual genocide with as little push-back as it's getting.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a good point. Not what I was trying to do but it probably came off as that way to some. Thanks for the insight

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Certainly that was what that nonsense about "Russia enacting their own genocide barely 1000 miles away" ultimately is

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say the atrocities in Gaza or the Donbas are EQUAL, no, not at all. For one thing, the Ukrainians are actually allowed to fight back without being labeled as terrorists. But Russia's goals (and some actions, mostly conducted earlier in the conflict) certainly fit the definition of genocide

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, they don't; that's just the western liberal need to slap the genocide label on every bad thing enemy countries do (because they've already normalized every other war crime)

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The internationally recognized, legal definition of a genocide is 'the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group' including (among other things) the forcible transfer of children from one group to another. And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

‘the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group’

Which Russia is not attempting to do.

And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.

See what I mean? Western liberals will make up any old bullshit to accuse their enemies of genocide; which is a big part of why an actual genocide gets so little push back: because people like you have run the term into the ground.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Which Russia is not attempting to do

Okay Botski, then what about this?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A lie, as usual for NATOpedia. Ukraine after years of insistence by Russia prepared list of... 339 names, of which 161 was found living with parents in Germany.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Okay Botski

And there it is: people like you have normalized every other war crime so much that someone like me, who thinks Russia is a fascist gangster state committing a brutal war of aggression but not a genocide, is completely indistinguishable from a literal Russian agent. That's why you need it to be a genocide: because you want to condemn it, but you've already normalized every other atrocity so much that you don't even see them as bad anymore. And you're rabidly trying to do the same for genocide as well

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a lot of assumptions based on those two words I said. But for real though, why are we arguing the semantics when we're both in agreement that Russia's invasion of Ukraine and Israel's genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Maybe, but I consider them good assumptions.

why are we arguing the semantics when we’re both in agreement that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Israel’s genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible

Because the abuse of semantics and the reduction of terms like genocide to rhetorical snarl words to be recklessly thrown at any enemies has enabled Russia and Israel to do what they're doing with so little push back.

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