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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

nyt op-ed going through 2 rounds of editors making sure he doesn't say anything too based is pretty funny. ben shapiro is so bad at his own job at this point that even bill maher can easily own him with facts and logic. genuinely a pathetic showing from him.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

Like holy shit imagine getting dunked on by Bill Maher.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Just listened to a bit of Hasan live earlier and I think he's still suffering from sort of shell-shock from the "Russia actually invaded! The left was all wrong!" stuff. He seems to be clearly heavily hedging his bets against common sense and available evidence (that the shooter was groyped up) "just in case" so he doesn't have to suffer another 100 moronic videos from libs who don't actually care.

I think that's poor analysis though it's hard to say "You can't reach a conclusion different from me!" It's just a weird one for him to reach with currently available information. You can change as more info comes. I don't know why he cares what people say; they'll say it anyway.

Beyond his opinion, I think it's uh a "politically bad idea" (failing at words) to even lightly lean into right wing framing. Even if the dude wrote a manifesto and included like receipts for him reading Marx for six months straight after he met his roommate/alleged lover I would still say you gotta just do the OP thing... lie. Just lie.

The Nazis are gonna lie their asses off. Fuck 'em. Lie better. Ultimately blasting Kirk doesn't fit into leftist ideology. Not in any meaningful sense. It doesn't advance any movements. You don't need to be like "We love this guy!" Just blame that Nazi trash ass Fuentes and never stop. He's gonna do the same thing to Hasan and others regardless if a manifesto comes out with him being like "I loved Nick Fuentes!"

The times of truth mattering are not these times. I believe a large, red-faced man used to describe all of this as information warfare... infowars... hmm. Maybe he was onto something. You just gotta counter stir the bullshit slurry. Like wtf else do you do? Just bend the knee and be like "Uh, I dunno, maybe he was a radical lib who loved Biden." Who the fuck does that help? Lol. It's just frustrating and weird. I don't like it.

I was also sick of hearing about 'Tiny Face, Big Gums' within an hour of the shooting. I already hate the shooter if for no other reason than making media focus on one of the weirdest looking and objectively untalented assholes in "politics" for the last multiple decades. Which is almost impressive when you see his peers.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The thing is the left disdains to be dishonest. For us words mean things. For us truth means things. For us facts mean things. We intend to improve our lives through objectively better systems and decisions. The fascists and reactionaries can afford to lie because their actual goals are abhorrent so must be cloaked in excuses and other language.

The fact is also the reactionaries can lie because their followers enjoy it, because they are in power because capital is in power, because they're not held to account and because they don't value facts. Giving up one of our most notable differences between them and ourselves in that we are honest, they are dishonest, we care about facts and evidence, they don't seems foolish.

Is there some value in strategic deceptions? Yes. But not bald-faced lying against the entire bourgeois media machine with things that leave you easily dunked on. At that point you begin retreating into pride and start spiraling into accepting more and more lies to save face, to not challenge your beliefs rigorously, and to sink into a hole of conspiracy and wild supposition that drives people away from you.

If you fight a war based on lies the right will win. They are more experienced. They have a century of lies to draw on, they have the high ground of owning all the platforms, the media, of bourgeois academics being sympathetic to them and steeped in liberal orthodoxy.

And the thing is we'll never have a media machine capable of shouting down the right. Shouting and screaming that he was a fascist if he was indeed a communist won't convince Trump, won't convince the Trump justice department, won't convince judges, won't convince cable anchors, won't reach your average person. It's self-deception whereas the right's deception at least is broadcast and amplified and built on a series of foundations where it actually deceives others, it muddies the waters enough to frustrate their enemies in liberals because they're liberals.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is exactly right. Also we don't even need to deceive, framing in a way that favors us is entirely sufficient.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Lying isn't acceptable. We should instead simply frame the truth in the optimal way. In this we employ rhetoric and should even embrace a sophistic flexibility with our own beliefs when trying to persuade. But fabricating facts simply torches your credibility and should be avoided. That's what chat GPT does.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Can't we just say at this point "maybe he was a grouper, he might have just been a nobody politically, but we will get more evidence soon and it doesn't matter anyway"

Obviously the trans roommate storyline doesn't hold up at all. The only thing we have solidly on his "political opinions" is hearsay from an uncle or something

But there are also a lot more important things going on around this issue, the admin will use it for further repression regardless

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure if I fully agree but you make a good point

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would really appreciate links about Tyler's groyper affiliation.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] iThinkImDumb@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

I'm begging people to please remove the tracking elements when you paste links. all you need is https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-memes-meaning
the rest of that shit
?srsltid=AfmBOoqHZPZa-2h6dVqYfHM-jADCdmmcwU60H8-aoyXsnQfKyBQ3QNVR
is on there to track us. pls pls don't include it.

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

LONDON, UNITED KONGDOM - SEPTEMBER 12:

Donkey Kong has taken over the UK

I agree though it does actually seem that the shooter wasn't a groyper like I previously predicted from the current evidence

I do however agree that you should lie and keep lying because no one cares or has cared about the truth in the US political environment for what is over 10 years now

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is like that time little Benny called some br*tish chud anchor left wing for pushing back against his bullshit at all.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Not just any chud anchor, but Andrew Neil. A man who runs infamous right wing magazine The Spectator, which pretty much sets the news agenda for the other papers and whose yearly garden party is as close to a public British media/politics 'Illuminati' meeting as there is. He's personal friends with Trump, owns an apartment in Trump tower. His magazine has published some of the most unhinged rightwing things written beyond the mid-forties, including a passionate defenses of both the lufwaffee and SS in the 2000s.

Ben is a fucking moron.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

just noticed he's streaming with his AR in frame today

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Gotta let'm know.

[–] livestreamedcollapse@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Kill the cop in your head & all that, but first thing I notice is his & the Dark Cowboy's (5 years ago when making a video to Pelosi) lil armalites look 2 or 3 parts too scary for CA libs.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago
[–] spectre@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Shapiro clip starts a bit after 7:15 in

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Shapiro getting demolished by Maher? rather they both get demolished