© 2004
proof, if need be, that this genocide didn’t begin in 2023
this post was submitted on 09 Sep 2025
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Actually here's a better reply than my other one!
I remember being pissed off about what I saw Israeli tanks doing in gaza on the news in the mid-1990s, and suffice to say I was absolutely not primed to be doing anything but unconditionally supporting them at that time.
I always thought this was about the US vs Iraq, based on when it came out
It is. They "hit" the twin towers.
Since at least the establishment of the Mandate of Palestine and the Balfour Declaration of 1917. 😔
We sure it’s about Israel and not the US if it’s from 2004? US does this to everyone
Fits both.
In 2004 the US invaded Iraq following the current war with Afghanistan after the towers fell. This comic has two buildings that look a lot like the World Tade Center.
If this isn't about israel I grabbed the wrong one. There is one that is just like this that very definitely is. I see the two towers looking buildings there, but I didn't think that was intentional. I'll see if I can find out.
Edit: I don't have the original context currently, but this URL suggests that in 2012 people believed this to be about Israel.
https://i0.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/20121206-israel-fighting.jpg
Those do look like the twin towers.
The Israelis have tarnished the reputation for Jewish people all over. I know that many (most?) of them are against it, but I know very sensible people who think twice before engaging with a Jewish person when it comes to politics, just to avoid being framed as an anti-semite. All this holier-than-thou victim blaming is actually responsible for many becoming anti-semites.
being framed as an anti-semite
It's funny, my parents watch the PBS News Hour religiously. One night last year they ran a piece about how Israel was trying (and succeeding) to frame all criticism of Israel's actions as "anti-semitism". My parents were of course all "oh that's terrible what Israel is doing!" The very next night they ran a piece about how anti-semitism in the US was on the rise. My parents were of course all "oh that's terrible that anti-semitism is on the rise!" without making any connection at all between the two stories.
Pretty sure Jews outside of Israel are against what the Israeli state is doing to Palestine. But for Israeli Jews, unfortunately, last time I saw the survey, most of them approve of kicking the Palestinians out of Gaza and West Bank. They may not like Netanyahu and most know that he is prolonging the war to artificially extend the lifeline of his regime, but most approve of the overall right wing policies of Likud towards Palestinians.
Older Jews in my experience are zionist no matter their leanings.
I've heard people trash trump in one breath and go on to say "wipe them out" in the next.
Not to say all. Never. But the disconnect is there. Especially when they have family in Israel.
Have seen the moral fight in their mind as they watch the news. Most I saw someone admit was that they "were so tired of all the killing" and maybe a "netanyahoo" here or there.
But Israel is Israel.