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[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 146 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Palestine Action was right to damage British planes. I hope they do it again, and again, and again, until Palestine is free.

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I support Palestine Action!!!

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I would say that too, except I'd get arrested if I did, so I won't. Do you hear me, lawyers? Officially speaking I do not support Palestine action.

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

UK government officials who back the designation and arrests of supporters deserve to be strapped to an AA battery and composted over a field.

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[–] yumpsuit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think Palestine Action chose the planes they damaged because they were in some kind of weird military contractor sublease, which was tied to refueling capability for some certain set of aircraft unsupported by their other aerial refueling systems.

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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm confused. How is this a war crime.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The genocide would be the war crime.

The UK was caught directly participating in the operations, so they are helping a country that is not their ally commit a genocide without declaring war on Palestine themselves.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 47 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Well no they weren't, they were "caught" flying a plane over Gaza. Going from that to "directly participating in the operations" is a conclusion you are drawing which seems plausible, even likely, but is not directly supported by a British plane doing loops over Gaza.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But the twit says it's a us company that does this. For Israel. How is the UK even involved?

[–] Boo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The UK used to run the flights themselves with their own military spy planes. They argued that this would strictly be for hostage rescue. Given that they spent hours circling Gaza daily and live-streaming any and all information to the Israelis for almost two years, a time in which not even a hand full of hostages were recovered by military means, that seems a big lie.

Now as the UK feels pressured to stop their direct involvement, they are instead paying American private contractors with UK taxpayer money, to do the dirty work for them. We now have the evidence as those were too stupid to turn their transponders off. Before that Matt Kennard could only verify multiple spy planes taking off and landing from and towards Gaza at the UK army base in Cyprus daily. But they turned off their transponders once they came close to the coast of Palestine.

EDIT: See for instance

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/gaza-spying-us-news-lp90mz062
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250808-us-based-contractor-hired-by-uk-to-continue-spy-flights-over-gaza/

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah the conspiracy tinfoil hat here is really reaching. X.com us such a cancer platform that I don't expec4 any brain cells there.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 23 points 1 week ago

Leaving a fingerprint isn't illegal but a fingerprint on a knife inside someone is evidence for a murder trial.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A war crime isn’t a single act but rather a pattern of behavior that has many pieces of evidence.

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[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Blows dust off

They got Al-Capone for TAX EVASION!

Haunting laughter of long dead studio audience

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hang all of those government officials and agents who were “just following orders.” Hunt them down the same way the world hunted down Nazi camp guards.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Hang all of those government officials and agents who were “just following orders.”

At a dinner meeting of the Big Three on Nov. 29, Stalin proposed executing 50,000 to 100,000 German officers so that Germany could not plan another war. Roosevelt, believing Stalin was not serious, quipped that “maybe 49,000 would be enough.”

Churchill, however, was outraged and denounced “the cold-blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country.” Before storming out of the room, he said that only war criminals should be put on trial. Stalin brought him back after saying that he was only joking.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

"evidence for a war crimes trial"

I do so love the liberal idea that there's such a thing as "law."

The only way we're going to end the richest countries supporting the most openly genocidal country is if we cut off the funding that is making all of this profitable. There's no one, simple "boycott target" we just all have to get better about not pouring money in our country's corporations and monoliths who are always trying to make line go up.

Stop spending money on things like food delivery, fast food, games, movies, electronics and gadgets you don't need. Start hoarding the wealth away from the liches and oligarchs. Back up your activism by taking away the thing they want most.

[–] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I'd like to point out the booming indie games market that is a great place to waste money and support artists (like me not biased or anything)

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 29 points 1 week ago (10 children)

It’s charming how the news media still calls it a war, even though traditionally a war in two sides fighting.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

The Israelis are in a war to preserve their existence against the threat of Palestinians continuing to have children at normal historical rates while Israel itself becomes a glorified retirement home.

The Palestinians are doing irreparable harm to the Jewish People by staying alive and protecting their children with hopes of seeing a future generation survive and thrive. The existence of The Hamas Ideology of not liking Israel must not persist for another generation.

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[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A colonizer always takes good care of its colony?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Famously so. That's why you were much better of living in Hong Kong in 1949 than the bulk of mainland China. The colony becomes the vehicle for exporting wealth from the interior.

Quite a few HK liberals will protest Chinese rule by waving British (and American) flags. And a small but vocal faction even periodically demand that Hong Kong be returned to the UK.

Incidentally, the economy of Hong Kong has significantly lagged the rest of the Chinese mainland, in no small part because it has lost its position as an exclusive export hub to the wealthy capitalist countries. This has further increased the ahem economic anxiety of Hong Kong natives and fueled waves of protest (most notably the 2019 Umbrella Protests). Without its colonial status, Hong Kong is just another Chinese port city. Still disproportionately wealthy, but no longer this extravagantly rich financialized bottleneck.

For that kind of privilege, you need to move to Singapore.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was this necessary intelligence for shooting people at food distribution lines?

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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

America showing its acceptance of genocide and its incompetence

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

This is what happens when you cheap out on foreign contractors

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[–] Spacenut@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I agree that Israel bad, but can someone explain what the war crime is here? I'm not asking as a gotcha, just confused

[–] Boo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

UK is running spy flights for Israel, or now contracting them out to US mercenaries, to help Israel turn Gaza into rubble and mass slaughter Civilians. The UK claimed it would be solely for hostage rescue, but there was hardly any hostages recovered by military means and certainly no daily attempts at rescuing hostages, but Britain provided intel daily for the past almost two years.

The UK government said they stopped their flights amid mounting pressure, but that was just a lie as they contracted it out instead to distance themselves, which also indicates that they know exactly which crimes they have been and are supporting.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/gaza-spying-us-news-lp90mz062
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250808-us-based-contractor-hired-by-uk-to-continue-spy-flights-over-gaza/

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Additionaly: how is the UK involved in a US company flying over Gaza gathering intelligence for Israel.

Like, fuck Israel and their genocidal leadership, but I fail to see the logic of this post.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The UK military is hiring US mercenaries to continue their spy operation

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So alleged financing of surveillance is... war crime evidence? Even without the starvation and actual munitions deliveries, this would be weak as hell.

You know there is footage of soldiers firing on civilians like every day of the week, right?

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

US foreign policy has been terrible for generations. It's shit like this that makes me scream "BOTH SIDES", but our two party system always makes people stick to their team.

[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Both sides, yes, but one side is still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse than the other.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hesitant as I am to open this can of worms, this always strikes me as saying something like "My manager is way nicer than the HR department. They're the only people who have ever fired anyone"

Like, I guess it is true in a sense? But they are the same. It's not that one is worse or better. One is the designated executor of the intentions that they both share. This allows the executor to look worse, for the exact purpose of maintaining morale among the team and keeping them playing by the manager's rules.

It's like, if both my mom and my dad think that I should be beaten for lying about my grades, and they both secretly decide that mom should be the one to beat me. Is dad way better than mom? Not really. Mom is just doing the dirty work so Dad can keep his hands clean. Then when I get beat I don't decide to run away, because I think "at least Dad isn't so bad, at least Dad doesn't beat me". But Dad does beat me in any sense that matters, he just beats me via the proxy of Mom. You could even say Dad is worse, because he's not only complicit in the beating, but he also conceals his true nature to prevent me from escaping the situation.

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[–] hector@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago

Not all that much on this issue. They're both maximum bad. Neither Biden nor starmer is worse than the conservatives on this issue. Empty gestures aside. Obviously the Republicans and Torries are fucking cunts, I presume I can say that on Lemmy here.

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Maybe in the past, they are pretty much the same these days.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Didn't UK announce their surveillance of Gaza as early as 2023? How is this some "gotcha" moment other than confirming what they've already stated 2 years ago...

Their own mission statement was to help identify where hostages were being held. So unless there's any real evidence of other types of damning intelligence sharing going on that was undisclosed. This isn't even news.

And certainly not "evidence of war crimes"

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you are going to be the Bitch, be the whole bitch.

If your goal is to protect Israeli hegemony in the middle east, stand by that position.

Don't try and gaslight people who know better.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's insane how almost every western country is bending over backwards supporting this genocide in some way while also being extremely embarrassed about it.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

It's a part of the neoliberal solution to crimes againt humanity. First, you do it but deny you're doing it. Then, once you're finished (or made to finish) you admit that you did it and it was really bad. Like really bad and you feel just awful about it. Next, you state the time for justice must wait for a fairer season, as it could drum up bad blood and potentially ignite new conflicts. Finally, after some time has passed, you declare that too much time has passed and justice needed to be done sooner, for now we can no longer punish the perpetrators and would just punish innocents caught in the way(who still have the benefits from whatever their parents did).

Huzzah! We did it kids! Society progressed and everyone is treated fairly now! /s

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don’t try and gaslight people who know better.

Gaslighting is how you control a population that's largely in the dark. "No, we're not actually supporting Israel. Only the far-left wackos and the Russian anti-UK agitators are saying that."

Now that this news has leaked you'll get some rebuttal of "Yes, of course we were helping Israel. That's not news at all. But we were helping them kill the terrorists. Only a Muslim Extremist Antisemite would complain about us protecting innocent Israelis from Radical Islamic Extremism."

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Westerners: Are we the baddies?

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All global superpowers are led by evil war criminals.

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