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Capitalism has many unwitting pawns (lemmy.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by Smackyroon@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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[–] ianfraserkrillmaster@midwest.social 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

ah yes, supporting corporate-owned social media, the one true revolutionary praxis

[–] daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Any social media, corporate or otherwise, is gonna be astroturfed to hell these days.

[–] juliebean@lemmy.zip 16 points 7 months ago

if you feel that way, i gotta ask, why are you here, instead of reddit, or facebook, or something?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What the hell do you think federation is? A Trotsky plot?

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is the next argument that you should be the one to centralize everything?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Full collectivization of production is the Marxist argument.

[+] Smackyroon@lemmy.ml -8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Centralization is the only way to smash the bourgeoisie and build a truly socialist society

[–] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 7 months ago

Then go back to Reddit.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And who gets to control this new central government?

Will they get to live in lavish accommodations? Will they get to live a standard of living higher than the rest of the proletariat?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Marxism has never been about equality of outcome, Marx himself opposed "equalitarians" in his time. Socialism as it exists in real life recognizes the difference between more diffucult, dangerous, risky, etc labor, and often came with higher pay or reduced working hours. The disparity in socialist countries has always been far less than in capitalist countries, even countries that are still socialist but maintain markets at this stage in development like the PRC and Vietnam.

I don't like the way OP is framing it, though. Centralization gives connotations of removing bottom-up input, which is why I like the term collectivization more. Having all of production under the collective banner of the whole society, and resolving the obstacles towards such a society, is the main process of advancing socialism towards communism. This means centralization in that it reduces private and cooperative ownership to nothing, but it also retains room for local sovereignty and input that ladders upwards.