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Jay Leno’s star power wasn’t enough to persuade a California legislative committee to pass a measure to allow owners of classic cars like him to be exempted from the state’s rigorous smog-check requirements.

Imagine being rich and famous and this is your political cause. What an effing creep.

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[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 90 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

In Leno's defense, smog checks for older cars can be absolute nonsense in CA.

I have an older car caught up in that nonsense. The header pipes cracked and replacement parts didn't exist so I had a shop build some. They did amazing work and function perfectly; it's just pipe about a foot long.

Anyway, the smog test shop sees that and fails visual inspection. That super sucks. There are no CARB exempt headers, and OEM is't available. I spent $$$ to put the old, leaking pipes back on, and send it back to the shop. Visual passes, smog passes. Next stop to the mechanic to swap headers back again.

At the moment there is a lot more to smog testing an older car than a tube up the tailpipe and actual emission data which is the whole point of having this program in the first place.

Leno likes cars, keeps his in great condition, and may simply need replacement parts manufactured that no longer exist.

Edit: that said, I hoped the Leno law would fail. I looked up registration for my older car as a "classic". Yikes that's pricy! And has all kinds of strings attached like special registration and have to be garaged. This would be devastating to the classic car community.

[–] miked@piefed.social 37 points 1 week ago

After reading your edit I looked at the bill summary and yea, I don't care that it got killed. It only seems to help large collectors, not the person with one or two cars.

It would be nice if the 1975 smog exemption rule could roll each year.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or unpopular opinion: Fuck classic smogmobiles. If you want to go show it off put it on a trailer pulled by an EV. Why create pollution for fun?

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Virtually every kind of "fun" creates pollution. Even going for a run you pollute. What about doing a road trip in a modern car is "better" than putting around town in an old one when both activities pollute a similar amount?

The real questions worth asking are:

  1. Are these classic cars a threat to public health? (Presumably no, their numbers are small and ever dwindling)
  2. Should the law apply to all cars and when/how is it fair to make a carve out? (The answer is subjective and political and I have a feeling this is the one that actually struck a nerve with you).

Also worth noting is that EVs are hardly a panacea. Modern ICEs are "good enough" that a lot of the immediate health concerns now come from particulates from brake and tire dust, noise pollution (which EVs contribute to nearly as much as ICEs at speed), sedentarism, accidents, and hostile urban design. The real fight is in getting most passenger cars eliminated from cities altogether and rehabilitating suburbs to be livable without car dependency, not in bickering about powertrains.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree. We absolutely must ban people from going for a run.

/j

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Better yet convert it to an EV.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually that is becoming more popular. I just saw one last month that gutted a V8 engine to hide an electric motor. Looks like an ICE from the outside. It was pretty neat!

It's the battery packs that hold these conversations back. Older car suspensions just weren't built for that kind of weight.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah but for a classic car you only drive on weekends, it doesn't need to go 500 miles on a charge.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

That’s the rub, many of these things are doing 1-2000 miles a year some less. Their emissions are peanuts compared to daily commuters. The same argument for small batteries is also the argument for letting them be in the first place (with strict mileage limits IMO).

Also EVs are heavy but the body and chassis are really light and often aluminum or composite. Old cars are often pretty heavy, but it’s because they’re made of thick steel with much thicker body panels (18 or even 16 gauges modern 22 gauge steel body panels). Adding batteries and keeping the weight balance even with small batteries is really tough).

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

How about no.

ICE cars shouldn't be common. Cars in general shouldn't be as common as they are. A handful of guys running around in old restored ICE cars are far from any real problem. They're putting a lot of work into keeping them going (and it's often more work than money).

From an engineering perspective, there's a lot of fascinating tweaks you can make to an ICE. How does spark timing affect things? Cam timing? Changing bore or stroke? The engineering behind it has a long history that's worth preserving. It just needs to go away as a mass market thing.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nothing against strict smog regulations. But it's wildly hypocritical that the government can be all hardass about it yet can't even manage to finish building ONE FUCKING TRAIN LINE.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But you see some tech facist said that a underground tunnels for cars is the better more futuristic way to go

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And he's not wrong.

Oh wait. Yes he is. How is ANYBODY listening to this guy?

Oh right. Money.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

No he is right underground tunnels with cars are wildly better. Just because you dislike Musk doesn't mean everything he says is wrong.

Wait what he meant actual fucking cars... What do you mean "Like in Vegas" whomst the fuck does that... It only makes sense when you connect them together as subway cars... Yes he is fucking stupid.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 3 points 1 week ago

But it has rbg lights

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 points 1 week ago

The government also doesn't use any emissions restrictions on their own military vehicles and many other government vehicles. They're more reliable without it.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This word, "creep", seems to have lost all meaning. What's creepy, specifically, about trying to run his old cars? If America has anything resembling a culture, it's cars.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

The world has gone buckwild, political division is being supported like sports teams, there's no rational thought, it's us vs them and everything that someone does that didn't align with the users view point is just abused with nonsensical insults.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 week ago

CA needs exemptions. These vehicles are few and far between, and getting even more rare every single year.

The emissions from these handfuls of cars is negligible in comparison to what's stuck in traffic on the 101.

CARB in California is a joke, it requires so many parts that literally are just a piece of bent pipe to be submitted for approval to be certified. Parts which have nothing to do with emissions.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (28 children)

I had a car caught up in this in Colorado and had to get rid of it. Specifically, I had to remove a bunch of obsolete air pump equipment and update the fueling system with a much more modern electronically controlled system. The car was measurably better than it's original standards but failed the visual check because it was missing the old, polluting, inefficient and unavailable parts.

If the car still meets the emissions of it's day, put a mileage limit on it and let it go. If there are too many on the road then implement a nontransferrable lottery system to get classic plates for them. The amount of pollution these few tens of thousands of vehicles put out being used a couple of times a month is a drop in the bucket compared to everything else that continues to get a pass.

Why not start banning camp fires? What about old boats? Stationary power units? These all seem to get a pass and probably dwarf the emissions of classic cars being used occasionally.

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[–] draughtcyclist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

This is sad - most of these enthusiast vehicles are well cared for and driven less than 1-2k miles a year. The people who were asking for this were looking for a legal path to register their vehicles.

They'll still be registered, just in Montana under an LLC because they don't have a better option.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A handful of people, who spend a lot of time keeping old cars running and looking good, are not the problem. Not even close. The overall pollution from a parade of old cars is negligible compared to everyone going back and forth to work every day.

Even so, why should they get a pass?

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem here is that people will just register those cars in other states. So that means you still get the same smog issues without the registration revenues.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I watched a yt video of some guys in england and they bought some cheap ass old american car for super cheap. It was falling apart and had like a 6l v8 with 110 hp or some crap. They kept making fun of how because it's a "classic" car, they can drive everywhere with that car, while their little 600cc key car can't, because laws are fun.

There will always be these stupid loopholes. Same like you can insure a big ass truck relatively cheap, because of the cabin size and it's a "work" truck, even tho the car never leaves the road and only transports vapes and edgy stickers.

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[–] falynns@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wish they'd do a better job policing modern cars blowing smoke constantly from abuse that somehow pass smog checks. Stop relying solely on computer monitoring and let techs do a real inspection again.

Leno is a narcissistic asshole trying to push a law that only benefits rich collectors like himself, in that respect I'm glad it failed.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Most of the people running these cars aren't particularly rich. They're older, often retired, and generally have enough financial stability to have a garage and buy an old beater to fix up with cash in hand, but they're far from rich. It's not a cheap hobby by any means, but except for the rarest types of cars, we're talking thousands, not millions. The elbow grease is more expensive than what you buy directly.

For an example of a cheap build, look up "Look mum no computer" on YouTube and look for the "Big Bogey" project where he restores an old Mini that's more rust than car.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He could just move to Mississippi or one of the other handful of states that don't have any vehicle inspections. Hell, we have Cruisin' The Coast coming up soon, I bet people would love to see Leno's rides.

Not like most of his classic vehicles are meant as daily drivers anyways.

[–] ronigami@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Yes, a billionaire could move to a shithole state, but why would they?

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The problem is that California has a lot of these cars, and they are daily driven. The solution, which will be expensive, is to run the cars on ethanol.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

At least in MN the way it works is that vehicles over a certain age can be registered as collectors vehicles and get special lifetime collectors plates. If you register a vehicle as a collectors vehicle then it doesn't need any updated emissions or safety equipment. But at the same time it is illegal to use a collectors vehicle for daily driving. You are only permitted to drive it to/from shows/events and to take it on occasional pleasure drives. If you get caught making a grocery run with one then you get fined, the plates impounded, and you could even face jail time.

This seems to work out pretty well here. It's pretty uncommon to see these vehicles on the road outside of big events. And it doesn't require owners to modify their classic vehicles when many pride themselves on keeping these vehicles as stock as possible.

Edit: Also ethanol isca very bad idea for these vehicles. Firstly the seals and hoses on these vehicles are not designed for it so it destroys them, as someone else aluded to. But more importantly, these vehicles aren't being driven regularly and ethanol is not stable to leave in the vehicles. When it ages ethanol breaks down into a varnish that covers everything and clogs the hell out of things like carburators. That is the reason that you want to use nonoxygenated gas (no ethanol added) on vehicles that aren't driven frequently. Ethanol is the main thing that makes gas go bad. If you don't have ethanol in there then the shelf life is extended dramatically. If you ran these vehicles on ethanol you would basically be requiring people to drain and dry every fuel carrying component whenever they wanted to store it (which should be often if you don't want them daily driving them).

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

My state just restricts their use during January. You also cannot use the vehicle for any type of commercial purpose. You must also have at least one vehicle that isn't register as a collector.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn’t that also wear the engine out more quickly?

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 6 points 1 week ago

Engines don't necessarily wear faster, but there are modifications such as rubber seals, more robust fuel lines, and new air/fuel mapping to accommodate running ethenol vs gas.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some old guy wanting to drive old cars deserves a "What an effing creep"? That's just sad :(

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Maybe creep is the wrong word (though I wouldn't be surprised if he was also that) but essentially saying "I should be allowed to pollute because my toys that no one else can afford are pretty" is certainly jackass-adjacent.

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