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[–] hzl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

If that's meant to be the DNC, okay.

If that's meant to be people who made an argument for coalition politics and not straight up forfeiting an election to the worst presidential candidate anyone could find lying around to stuff into a diaper and a suit and put behind a podium.. that's not really the same thing.

Gavin Newsom is not, at the moment, running for president. He's not sitting opposite some extreme right-winger serving as a disappointing but necessary defensive line between us and things getting much worse. He's an asshole who happens to be a Democrat and is the current governor of a state where he's actively making things worse. He, like Harris, would clearly be leaning toward the right to try to win center votes.

The reasonable strategic move to make for anyone who wants the government in the US to shift to the left is to make it clear that while his humiliating Trump is useful, he is not a viable candidate. Supporting him now would be backing a lame horse that's literally still in the stable during a time where we should be finding the healthiest, fastest horse we possibly can. That is not the same as if he were in an election right now and were the only way to prevent a Trump from getting into office.

I'm trans. I hope Newsom falls off a cliff. But if he had been running against Trump instead of Harris I would have held my nose and checked the box, because strategy isn't about throwing a fit until you get the scenario you want, it's about doing what you can with the hand you've got.

Right now what we can do is toss his ass away and draw another card from the deck before we end up being forced to play him.

I'm trans. I hope Newsom falls off a cliff. But if he had been running against Trump instead of Harris I would have held my nose and checked the box, because strategy isn't about throwing a fit until you get the scenario you want, it's about doing what you can with the hand you've got.

I'm trans too, fwiw. I've reached a slightly different conclusion, though I respect yours:

I am going to pre-commit not to vote for Newsom. I'm going to encourage as many people as I can to pre-commit. If Progressives pledge not to vote for him, and the DNC knows they're serious, Newsom will lose the primary. He'll lose because it will be apparent to DNC superdelegates that Progressives won't show up for him, and that without the Progressive vote Newsom will not win the election.

Basically, it's like nuclear war: if you're nuked, you shouldn't retaliate, because nuking back would wipe out all of humanity, instead of half. But your enemy must know that you've pre-committed to retaliate, otherwise they will nuke you.

It's a stupid game equilibrium but inevitable, IMO.

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[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We haven't even entered midterm season yet and we're arguing about Newsom's viability. The focus should be on midterms. We still have 2 years for a new star to shine, for a progressive to break through, for the DNC to maybe get a clue.

I'd rather hear discussions about who is best to face off against Collins, how can we take back some of the house seats where the margins are thinnest, where could we break in.

There will never be a perfect candidate for any office. You will always have issues you don't align on. If you think you align on everything, you're probably not looking closely enough. Vote for freedom, join the conversation and advocate for change. I have seen many politicians change their beliefs over the years, often their positions are uninformed and giving them the right information can help and assuming they know the facts helps no one.

We are all flawed. We have all made mistakes. We are all capable of change. Politicians are no less suited to making mistakes than we are.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

There are candidates I align with pretty much 99.99999)% with (and that's only because I probably haven't found the 1 thing I disagree with). I vote for those people and then get yelled at for doing so. Why? Cause they're third party. Claudia de la Cruz last year was my dream candidate. I'd bulldoze mountains to get her in the White House. However, she ran for the PSL party and not the DNC so I constantly got called a Trump supporter for supporting her.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I say this with no disrespect intended. With the electoral and first past the post system, voting 3rd party at the national level is like spitting into the ocean. No one will notice, and maybe that vote could have made a difference elsewhere. It sucks but until we eliminate the electoral and have RCV or STAR voting, we cannot support 3rd party candidates.

All that being said, I do think that it is worth voting 3rd party for lower office or if your vote really wouldn't affect the outcome.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I vote third party for every level cause where I live the only major party capable of winning is conservatives. Looking at the numbers, even if every single third party voter voted Dem, they'd still be 300-500k short or more to beat the conservative option. So voting for Dems here is literally no different than voting third party. Hell if they were even just 50k short of beating the Conservative party I'd start voting and supporting them, but there's literally no point.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I will not say that you are wrong, just encourage you to take a deeper look into your congressional rep and below in the midterms. People are pissed, it might not turn to votes but maybe things will shift. Hell, talk to people in your community who might be willing to vote with you on a third party.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

I do. I volunteer with the party to do protests, community services like providing food, water, diapers, clothing, and educating each other and others on the needs for reform of every aspect in American life (healthcare, education, income, housing, cost of living, how businesses are run, etc).

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I haven't seen a single person whining about Newsom who's also proposed a progressive alternative who could run in the primary.

This is when we're supposed to bring in leftist candidates. Instead, they'll do nothing, and then whine about the inevitable results.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

who’s also proposed a progressive alternative who could run in the primary.

The onus is on potential progressive or leftist presidential candidates to show up - it's their decision. It takes a tremendous amount of courage and boldness to enter public consciousness and face scrutiny in every direction.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Just so people know Gavin newsom made a comment about trans children in sports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gavin-newsom-rages-about-trans-kids-in-sports-how-democrats-hate-his-stance/ar-AA1INrLO

And political influential dems have had issues with mamdani for issues ranging from tax policies (tax rich as too ambitious) to lack of stance regarding Israel

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-new-york-democrats-not-endorsing-zohran-mamdani-2092616

This is the info that’s missing.

Just tired of people dropping headline bombs with no story and just expecting others to follow suit on a dime . All this talk about echo chambers but we can’t possibly take the time to educate people.

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