Huh? Is the National Guard issued some special version of the M4 without select fire? Wouldn’t the standard version be automatic? I feel like the term semi automatic is incorrect here.
Also, M4s are AR-15s.
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Fully Automatic does should a little more aggressive, as it is much more aggressive. Can't have facts in the media anymore.
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"Powerful M4"
Just... Like, the M4 is a Carbine. Don't tell me it's not an AR-15. That's like saying a Chrysler Neon is not a Dodge Neon. Most M4s don't have full auto.
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Armed military trash pickup patrol. What a fine use of taxpayer dollars, bravo.
I want to know if they are being issued ammo.
The National Guard? If they are given a gun by logistics then they are being given ammo. This isn't Enemy at the Gates (or VERY specific and isolated cases on the Eastern Front of WW2). So expect LOTS of discount green tips on the East coast in the near future.
The deputized proud boys? They just bring their own.
Not correct. NG has levels of escalation they use that determines what kind of equipment they carry. This can vary from not being armed, to carrying rifles with no magazines, empty magazines, loaded magazines with no rounds chambered, up to full combat readiness. I've had conversations with NG and former active duty combat guys I work with specifically about this, some of them with a lot of experience and rank.
Not to support their deployment in our cities or use as a weapon against our people for exercising their rights, just correcting misinformation. Of the ones I still interact with and trust, they don't support this shit either.
It has been a pretty common thing for the national guard to be deployed domestically with weapons but no ammo, or with ammo on their person but not loaded into their weapons, so it's a valid question.
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AR-15s ARE weapons of war. They (more specifically the AR-10 which was more or less refined based on feedback into the AR-15) were specifically made to meet general calls by militaries around the world with the intent of becoming the standard issue infantry weapon for as many armies as possible. The focus on automatic fire (especially in the NFA...) is particularly disingenuous as the vast majority of militaries "strongly discourage" troops from ever firing in anything other than semi automatic because it is a waste of ammunition.
The problem isn't that we have jackbooted thugs who are armed with weapons that they can't get from a local walmart.
Also, just pure pedantry but: M4s ARE AR-15s.
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The M4, and other assault rifles, are not legal for civilian use.
Well...they're legal, but unlike with semi-auto rifles, you need a license
an FFL
and the federal government isn't required to give you one. You can find plenty of YouTube footage of people shooting legally-owned automatic weapons.
You don't need an FFL, it's a 200 dollar tax stamp, some lengthy background checks, and you have to find one made before 1986 owned by someone who's willing to sell it to you.
You can kind of get around that by getting an FFL to acquire post-1986 machine guns, but that comes with its own red tape, and you can basically only get them for your business as a gun shop. If you close up shop, you gotta get rid of the new machine guns.
They're only repeating the technical-sounding terms they have heard over and over again in other news reports about firearms without really understanding what they mean.
And because these reports they've based their limited understanding on were majoritarily about gun violence perpetrated with civilian rifles, they don't understand how to talk about actually military firearms.
These news reporters have downright behaved like generative AI.
Fuck these soldier bums too for not resisting. I’m fully aware of the consequences of resisting but I don’t care. These are people who are putting guns on their own citizens. Fuck them.
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NBC is clearly trying to downplay the seriousness of this
To be fair a civilian AR-15 with a $0.50 worth of 3d printed plastic mimicks the rate of fire of full auto while remaining much more controllable.
I'm really not going to be surprised when militaries start using those.
But lots of NG let people use their own rifles now even, even if they're strict semi-auto.
It's just not that big of a distinction between AR-15 and M4.
Side note:
Some guard members will carry M9 pistols.
I still hate they tanked Beretta's contract if they had let them submit a new model it would have dominated. I don't know what idiot thought there wasn't a difference between a service sidearm and a concealed carry firearm.