I'm not a fan of when writers let the baddies point out plot holes and inconsistencies brought about by other writers. At that point it's really just the writers undermining each other.
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I’ve heard this take before, but my head canon includes this as why Yoda went into exile. He knew he fucked up, and couldn’t really face it for a while.
hE sUpPoRtS gEnOcIdE! I aM vOtInG fOr PaLpAtInE…
Yoda is like an establishment neoliberal
I mean, it's pretty on the nose. Blue lightsabers vs red lightsabers. Meanwhile the more esoteric, wiser jedi wield green lightsabers.
"So anyway, I orchestrated that apprentice's death and built an empire fuelled by greed and corruption."
- Darth Sidious
I think that makes this even more accurate. Authoritarians can only take over a democracy due to just how angry people are with the current establishment. MAGA is the same way, it's fueled by people who can FEEL that something is terribly wrong with the world, but aren't smart enough to know why. Hate and anger is a large part of it, but the weakness and complacency of the current establishment isn't making it any harder for them. I remember a lot of people voted for trump in 2024 just cause he sounded a lot different than the usual guys. More disruptive and up-front about his thoughts. In actuality that's because he has no respect love for anything except money, but they were too delusional to know that.
All they needed to say was "We are different and we will govern stronger" and people were tricked into thinking that meant they were better.
A french YouTuber (Bolchegeek) calls that the Magneto syndrome : the writers make the bad guys make actually good points when criticizing the supposed "good guys", but then proceed to completely discredit their character by making them do something obviously evil. He argued that it's a way to pretend like you're making a progressive movie that questions society, while still reinforcing the status quo, and to basically say "Don't be fooled by those radicals, they may seem convincing but they're actually just out for blood"
xmen97 played this well. Magneto was angry but otherwise good. And then he snapped. But it wasn't a long con, he was reformed. And then someone tried to genocide his adopted nation and he snapped. Can't really blame him for that.
“Don’t be fooled by those radicals, they may seem convincing but they’re actually just out for blood”
I think this is the entire underlying propoganda in Batman villains and that only the rich good guy by choice can save us!
#PoisonIvyDidNothingWrong
Capeshit in general is inherently right wing, though, if you stop to think about it. The foundational premise is the notion that if only this Great Man™ steps up to punch problems away the world will be a better place for it.
like say, when captain america punched hitler? or was hitler just a villain because the writers made him kill so we can keep the status quo
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Those true evils often hide their motivation behind a "justifiable evil". It's basically modern politics. Most often in display in the US, but infects many, if not most, governments around the world.
Just because someone presents a supposedly logical and rational argument, doesn't necessarily mean either that they believe it, or that the argument is actually based in factual analysis.
I think I heard of a similar cirque of Avatar's Amon.
Kay and skittles has a good leftist breakdown of each of the Korra villains, for those that are into that sort of thing 😳
That's also how the real world works. Trump is often quite good at identifying real problems with society, but all of his "solutions" are some combination of evil, stupid and/or insane.
Just because someone is good at criticizing doesn't mean they have good intentions or the wherewithal to architect a better society.
Trump just regurgitates what his base wants to hear. I doubt there's a single independent thought in his head anymore.
What? I’ve only heard Trump say shit like crime is out of control when statistically it’s the opposite.
I rarely if ever hear him address real problems.
It's kind of a broken clock / twice per day situation. He says so much shit that some of it inevitably ends up being right. Some years ago he said something along the lines of quarterly business reporting requirements being a major cause of short sightedness in publicly traded companies. But then he never did anything with that, and he said like 10 other fucked up things that day.
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But Dooku didn't help the slaves...
Not uncommon for sith to get into it for theoretically noble reasons they fail to live up to; it's easy to talk about the good you'd do with that power when you don't have it
Or, hear me out: He's a liar and manipulator
Username checks out.
So, you know, maybe institute term limits instead of going full fascism. Star Wars is so unrealis...oh.
The Jedi council are unelected folk (from a religious sect) just doing things bcs they can. Like kidnapping all force-sensitive children.
They are like the Church in the middle ages with a private army, public funding, more powerful than most state officials, not subject to state laws, and not disclosing their affairs or motives publicly.
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Does the Republic have any actual power in the Outer Rim where the slavery was happening? I thought that was Hutt space and the Hutts are not part of the Republic. It's why Mos Eisley is a haven for pirates and other criminals looking to evade the law; the Republic has no authority or jurisdiction there. It's why Republic credits are no good there.
Star Wars government makes a lot more sense if you've read Foundation. The Republic was not in good health when Palps took over (very much according to his designs.)
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Wanna hear what it sounds like when the blood pressure of 1000 nerds spikes all at once?
Ahem, "Grey Jedi are how you fix Star Wars"
Malgus did nothing wrong.
Interesting that you have willingly opted out of the social contracts known as human rights over this but okay
Technically something similar already exists in EU. Aing-Tii monks do not see the force as black or white, but as a rainbow. They mostly stayed to themselves except to fuck up some slavers from time to time, but they have taught at least 1 human their method of using the force.
Star Wars needs more Jolee Bindos
Some propaganda:
Tho OPs pic's point remains - SW is a space western & can't give us the full picture of how the average world lived under either of systems, but going from widespread and generational corruption (not just the Jedi, but starting there) to a single point of power (dictatorship) initially lowers the corruption & dethrones (or recruits in diminished way) various mini-powers/leaders/mobsters bcs if nothing else they are simply a threat to the image.
At any rate, never be ok being governed by a 900 year old unelected frog that can't spot a Sith Lord if they shared a urinal at his visit to the senate (and the frogs religious zealotism is centred around genociding said Siths).
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Just another point on the laundry list of reasons the prequels fucked everything up.
I mean they certainly fuck up a lot, but I think they, in larger narative strokes, do a good job of touching on how the failures of neoliberalism decay into fascism as complacent systems fail.
I'm just not sure Lucas meant to do it
Idk, there was that interview he said the rebels were the viet cong, that the soviets had more freedom in what sorts of films they could get greenlit because you didn't have to pitch it on how much money it would make, and I believe in it said that he was trying to show the decay into fascism under GHW Bush. The dude is not a good director, and can't write dialog or people for shit, but I think he's knows what he's doing generally.
In a good way. The prequels felt like they are a part of a different era of history. While the sequels where just the originals but more.
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