A community to organize and discuss the growth of the fediverse as a whole
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Those numbers don't look good at all for the Fediverse.
Reddit gets over a billion monthly active users.
Fuck me man with that defeatist attitude, don't you know about "perfect is the enemy of good" and all that? You expect a Reddit alternative with billions of monthly users to just sit there in the wild? I'm so tired of these people.
Treating a billion users as a positive is insane to me.
I love that the Fediverse isn't trying to get all users on a single platform. There's any number of people who can go hang out on their own communities. I'm not even talking politics - I mean that having a single platform that combines football fans and cross-stitch enthusiasts seems mad to me.
Being able to use the same infrastructure is handy but that's not how Reddit works - there's basically a chalk line on the floor dividing communities. Fights happen constantly.
I've basically stopped using Reddit (except the tiny Gorkamorka community I admin) because almost every reply to my comments is someone spoiling for a fight. I don't get that anywhere else. I don't want to hang out on the digital equivalent of the Monty Python sketch about having an argument. Hello, is this the room to have an argument?
the Monty Python sketch about having an argument. Hello, is this the room to have an argument?
I haven't even seen that sketch, but just reading about it made me laugh.
That's what finally made me leave. I was a part of the initial digg migration and what sold me was a sense of quirky community and the ability to constantly learn cool stuff in the comments. The last few years have just been full of angry people and clout chasers. This community has almost given me hope again!
I also want to add, how many of these are bots ?
Almost a billion.
Not sure why bots would bother posting to /r/RedditAlternatives, it's a tiny subreddit that most of the normal users will probably never see
Fairly certain they meant of the billion monthly active users.
Oh, then definitely
There are AI bots literally scrapping the whole internet many times over. There were even tools to check negative sentiment all across the social media before AI blew up.
Propaganda doesn't care about small or big subs, it has to seem subtle. Since it's anonymous to anyone but the operators, it's not a wild assumption. Small subs also often use bots for posting controversial things just for creating engagement.
Most repost bots are probably run by mods or even admins. Seeing as they never ban them, it's not that farfetched.
The web wasn't automated last year with AI. It's been a playing ground for shaping narratives for decades.
Most repost bots are probably run by mods or even admins. Seeing as they never ban them, it’s not that farfetched.
For /r/RedditAlternatives, one of the mods is @Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works , who regularly post here to try to make the platform grow https://lemmy.zip/post/17001110
They probably wouldn't allow obvious post to stay on that sub
I joined reddit in 2009 after lurking for maybe a year. It felt as small as the fediverse and that's what made it good. Instead of it being a gigantic nightmare machine it was just talking with the usernames I recognised on a silly forum where I could make a subforum for anything I was interested in at the moment. Every subreddit I started or got involved with early grew in quality until 50k subscribers and then mutated into something only recognisable as worse.
Having been on the internet since 1995, the golden ideal is just a basic forum where you can talk with weird friends. That's it. Nothing feels better than the close-knit World of Warcraft guild or hobbyist forum. It doesn't matter if that has five members or 50k, but beyond that it's so far outside of our Dunbar number that it stops being what we liked about the place. I'd hate to be on a fediverse with the traffic of reddit. It'd just make me leave for something like Hexbear again.
Hear hear, lemmy is perfect like it is, leave it alone. I'm frankly fine with this reddit dork staying put.
It still has room for growth, but the happy spot is when you can get like 3-5 good posts per subcommunity per day with 10-50 comments per post. That's a few good conversations between known community members that you can jump into without the content volume being too under/overwhelming. Beyond that the amount of activity is so high that we have to game the algorithm to compete with strangers. Hexbear seems like it's right below the low-end of that with our federated commenters and it's a pleasant user experience. Back when it was /r/chapotraphouse with 100k~ subscribers, it could still maintain that feeling but was already reaching the point of oversaturation that a subreddit like /r/hasanpiker now has. Each thread had like 50-100+ comments with the majority being filler or algorithm bait.
These are words from the insane (and new redditors). No sane redditor from the early days stayed on reddit after all the big controversies happened over reddit getting bigger.
I have half a mind to go there and reply reddit numbers back when digg was the place to go was also shit.
While history rhymes, reddit did cook the frogs slower than old digg did, so while there were mass migrations already, reddit still have massive non bots.
hopefully reddit pushes more dumb bots and AI to make the people leave reddit and let it die being artificial thru and thru.
I stayed on Reddit for the longest time. I've been a user since the mass Digg migration. I've continued to use the site less and less. However, it seems the site quality continues to decline and userbase goes us.
There are still a few good subs with active members but even those still have some issues. I think discussion on the internet on general has gotten significantly worse overall.
I have half a mind to go there and reply reddit numbers back when digg was the place to go was also shit.
Feel free, it's always good to bring perspective to this kind of threads
a billion minus one. I gave up this week.
We probably all are
yeah, but why give a fuck about redditors like that and their opinion? why would we even want them on the fediverse? we already have enough idiots here of our own(including me). let him stay on his beloved rotten, dead internet ass plattform with overinflated user activity statistics.
sure, a bit more critical mass would be nice to have for more obscure, small but active communities. but that wont happen with users who argue on their 11 year old account against reddit alternatives on r/redditalternatives.
yeah, but why give a fuck about redditors like that and their opinion? why would we even want them on the fediverse? we already have enough idiots here of our own(including me). let him stay on his beloved rotten, dead internet ass plattform with overinflated user activity statistics.
I'm one of the few active posters on !movies@piefed.social, and !football@sopuli.xyz
Two of the probably most popular topics on the planet. Yet it's less than 5 of us keeping those communities active.
Having more people would at least make sure some of those very generalist topic can stay active on their own.
I can't help you on the sport front but I'll see if I can make a nuisance of myself on the movie front!
Feel free to help!
I'm not arguing against more users. But that should have been apparant from the part of my post you didnt quote. Just saying we shouldnt focus so much on users who activily try to find reasons to stay on the corperate hell hole that is reddit.
Yeah, the current userbase is pretty skewed towards the techliterate who in large have a tendency to be not that much into sports. Having more "normies" as the general userbase would be pretty healthy for the fediverse. But tbh there still is just too much friction to use it. It improved a lot over the years. But i believe it has similar issues to linux where you have a lot of needed knowledge and choice frontloaded. I really think there is some analysis paralysis going on between lemmy, mbin, piefed and all the instances on top. I also think(!) the federated nature has a lot of upsides but it also fragments the smallish userbase even further. Like i'm subscribed to 7 linux communities and only 2 really uniquely distiguish themselves. But thats a topic which is pretty important to me right now.
I like watching movies. But i dont like movies so much that i seek out yet another sub on the topic. I mean movies@piefed is the smallest community on that topic when i search for it. I know why thats the case and how new the community is in comparison to the rest because of the lemm.ee shutdown. But thats kinda an important detail you left out.
mean movies@piefed is the smallest community on that topic when i search for it.
Most of the subscribers on LW are dead account, active users is a more relevant metric
fair enough!
Are their other /c/ ? I gone this one of the issues, not being able to "combine" multiple into one feed
You're on Piefed, so the comments from crosspost from different communities would show up on the same page
There are also feeds that you can create that combine multiple communities https://piefed.social/feeds
we already have enough idiots here of our own
I feel attacked
Billion monthly users 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hereby award Lemmy with the title of "based". Reddit is no longer necessary.
Why wait for Digg? It’ll just be another trash heap with paid trolls like every other major social media platform. Threads, Insta, FB Reels, even Reddit, all bot-and troll-infested. Lemmy/Fediverse is far better.
I prefer corporate to own my shit posting instead of public domain 🤡
Now! With less effort! The all-new Digg! Free trolls! Guaranteed ragebait and engagment! All Hail Corporate!
Digg is dead on arrival. I would've spent the $5 to sign up out of curiosity, but they think US centered and the only payment method is with credit card.
I don't have a credit card and wont ever get one.
Borrowing money to sign up for social media is insane imo.
I mean, you can just use a debit card, but I see your point.
You mean like wirecard?
Digg died 15 years ago and it's not coming back to its glory days. We all left Digg for Reddit. I'm hoping for the day that's everyone leaves Reddit for elsewhere, as that place is a cesspool of shit.
Honestly Kevin Rose didn't listen to his users in 2010, made changes to satisfy advertisers and investors and it caused the end of Digg. He forced that Digg bar to track users, took away the option to bury post so advertisers didn't get any negative feedback, and finally did a UI revamp to push publisher paid posts that totally drove people away despite the tons of user feedback the entire time saying that they didn't like the changes. I do not expect any type of attitude change from him, once he gets a good enough user base to sell, he will cater to advertisers and investors again to make the UX worse and add more tracking in order to increase profit.
and those that jumped to digg will surprised-pikachu.jpg as if that's not obviously going to happen from day 0
I mean format-wise I think I prefer r****t to this but Reddit as a platform sucks so bad from its user base and bots alone
What are the differences in format?
By format, do you mean the UI?
I like the fediverse because you can basically choose whatever UI you like best!
Any suggestions?
I like voyager for mobile and alexandrite for desktop.
First time I'm hearing about the return of Digg, I'll probably keep an eye on it