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Israel Says It Killed a Hamas Commander. It Killed a Pulitzer-Winning Journalist.... (www.nytimes.com)

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm surprised the NY Times published this information, even if only as an opinion piece, given how long and hard (oh, so hard, with some of the slimiest half-truths, denials, cherry-picking and most differently charged language used anywhere) they've been propagandizing for the baby murderers.

By the way, it's hilarious that somebody created an account for a badly made spam both just to flood two posts related to Palestine and got banned within 1h or or so for 2 major communities.

[+] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The whole genocide narrative started with a NY Times story about Israel bombing a hospital. Turned out the story wasn't true, and they retracted it.

It's actually a bit of a problem going the opposite way than you suggest. People in news organizations can be emotional and publish anti-Israel stories without proper confirmation because they're sympathetic to Palestinians. And the stories you're seeing on Hamas propaganda feeds that don't get published isn't because of some Jewish conspiracy, it's because even emotional journalists can't justify publishing raw propaganda with zero confirmation.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Sure mate, the UN Confirmed Genocide and Man-Made Starvation, is "people being emotional", the various stories the NYT posted immediately after 7 October that later got shown as false and with some even retracted were not at all "raw propaganda with zero confirmation" and the relentless use of differently charged language when referring to Israelis and Palestinians (for example: the formed are "murdered", the latter only ever "die") aren't at all biased and propagandistic.

By the way, I've heard of this water-crossing realestate in New York selling for cheap and you sound like just the kind of person who would buy such a thing...

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"genocide narrative"

No need to continue reading, another Zionist troll

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Among other problems with your garbage here, "Israeli" != "Jewish"

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not Israeli nor Jewish, but I constantly get labelled a "zionist" anyway because I don't fall in line with the crazy bullshit conspiracies promoted on this site. You've come up with ways of labeling people so you can make them "the other" and acceptable to hate. That's the tactic of a hate group.

The tactic of making it acceptable to hate a subset of Jews (while changing the terminology) has been used in past, particularly by leftists. Read up on anti-cosmopolitan campaigns in the Soviet Union. They also use the term anti-zionism back then too, because the Soviets didn't want to sound like the Nazis.

But whatever terminology gets used, when you have hateful intent in your movement, you're in a hate movement. You go around saying the Jews/Globalists/Israel/Zionists/Cosmopolitans are controlling world governments and the media, it's all the same thing.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Dude fucking hundreds of thousands of people are dying and starving and you're arguing semantics from your nice safe place. And making up shit that people are saying. Go fuck yourself.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

For Israel, anyone not killing Palestinians is Hamas.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Potato, potato...

[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Literally all I could think of when I saw this.

[+] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Even if one takes Israel’s allegations at face value — which I absolutely do not, given Israel’s track record — and entertains the idea that in 2013, at the age of 17, al-Sharif joined Hamas in some form, what are we to make of that choice? Hamas has been the governing authority of Gaza since 2006.

So... maybe he was Hamas, what's the big deal?

Yeah if the guy was Hamas, he's a valid target.

So there was a lot of outrage over his death by news organizations around the world last week. Israel presented their evidence, and then... silence. That indicates news organizations consider Israel's evidence to be at least credible.

And then this opinion column comes out and this guy is saying "He's not Hamas... and even if he was, it's ok for him to be Hamas." It smacks of the Trumpian "I didn't do that, and if I did, it's perfectly fine" style of logic.

The silence of news organizations (other than Al Jazeera and alt media trash) on this and then this opinion piece making excuses about why it's perfectly fine for Anas al-Sharif to be a member of Hamas... it kinda seems like he actually was a member of Hamas.

[–] ashar@infosec.pub 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

No, according to the Geneva Conventions only armed combatants are legitimate targets. A militant Hamas member who is injured and in hospital is not a legitimate target.

A journalist, even if he was a Hamas member, is not a legitimate target.

A doctor, even if he worked for the Hamas run health ministry is not a legitimate target.

[–] McDropout@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s a hasbara bot unfortunately

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What do you mean?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago

"Hasbara" is a term for Israeli propaganda.

The public diplomacy of Israel, or hasbara (Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה), includes mass communication and individual interaction with foreign nationals through social and traditional media, as well as cultural diplomacy. Organizations involved include the IDF Spokesperson's Unit, Prime Minister's Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and pro-Israel civil society organizations.

Historically, these efforts have evolved from being called "propaganda" by early Zionists (when the term was considered neutral), with Theodor Herzl advocating such activities in 1899,[1] to the more contemporary Hebrew term hasbara introduced by Nahum Sokolow, which translates roughly to "explaining". This communicative strategy seeks to justify actions and is considered reactive and event-driven.

Since the rise of social media, Israel is building its propaganda efforts both on paid and volunteering organizations, similar to the infamous Russian "troll farms".

https://www.apnews.com/article/2b9d37b6d0ab4916bd5df9498ae4118f

In the case of journalists, they go even further, using intelligence units to smear journalists, like the murdered Anas Al-Sharif. We can expect this information then to be disseminated through various channels

https://www.972mag.com/israel-gaza-journalists-hamas-hasbara/

It should be noted that a lot of people are not paid or otherwise organized actors when it comes to Hasbara, but have fallen victim to the propaganda they then help to spread.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -3 points 6 days ago

Does hamas follow the Geneva conventions?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 days ago

No, according to the Geneva Conventions only armed combatants are legitimate targets.

Show me where in the Geneva convention it says this. Go on, find this in the rules of war where it says that. I'll wait.

You know just making shit up doesn't further your cause, it just makes people distrust you.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And here you are wrong. There is a difference between Hamas armed wing and government workers. For Israel they are the same. According to international law they are not.

For Israel every male in Gaza is a Hamas fighter which is so inherently wrong. They simply kill those males with utter impunity.

And if we have a bit more critical thinking, even if he was a legitimate fighter, why didn't they kill him when he was alone. Why did they kill him when he was with his colleagues. Because they never said anything about the other victims. It is almost like there is a clear trend of killing local journalists and not allowing international ones, so that they can control the narrative.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

For Israel every male in Gaza is a Hamas fighter which is so inherently wrong.

That is not true. You're being shown video of a guy that's dressed like a civilian being killed by a drone and told that's not Hamas because they look like a civilian. But Hamas doesn't wear uniforms. They all dress like civilians. So is that guy a civilian or Hamas? Depends on who you believe.

And that's the horrible nature of Hamas. You may think that a military having their soldiers wear uniforms and clearly mark their vehicles as military is stupid because it makes them obvious targets. But we do this so in a war it's easy to distinguish between military and civilians. This results in there being less civilian casualties. You may think that Hamas is being "smart" by dressing like civilians and hiding among the civilian population, but really it just results in higher civilian casualties. We respect soldiers for putting on a uniform because that's them taking on additional risk to make civilians safer. Hamas doesn't do this because why would they? More civilian casualties brings more sympathy for them, and more money being sent to them.

And international law agrees with this. The reason why captured Hamas are treated as criminals and not prisoners of war is because that's what international law considers them to be. If they wore uniforms they would be POWs, but since they don't they are criminals. Of course if they wore uniforms the war would be over fairly quickly and there would be much fewer casualties. But this is why international law is the way it is. To avoid long drawn out wars with combatants that don't wear uniforms resulting in a high number of cvilian casualties.

Hamas is a criminal organization, and has been declared a terrorist group by most sensible countries for good reason.

And if we have a bit more critical thinking, even if he was a legitimate fighter, why didn’t they kill him when he was alone.

That's not how wars work. It is expected for a military to keep their own civilians safe by building their bases apart from civilians (not under hospitals and schools) and wearing uniforms. The onus isn't on your enemy to keep your civilian population safe, the onus is on your military to keep you safe. Hamas is doing the exact opposite of keeping Palestinian civilians safe, they're using the tactic of purposefully putting their civilian population at risk and for some reason you think it's fine for them to do this. It is not illegal in war to hit a target because your enemy insists on using civilians to protect themselves. Hamas is using cowardly tactics, and telling you this is a good thing to do and you're believing them.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Brave doing this on lemmy. We don't want your facts or rational thinking, we prefer hate and calling for more violence (looking at you, ayyy)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Modem Holocaust complete with an industrial scale cover up.

We're going to be reading history books written by Israelis in US classrooms that tell all about their glorious war of liberation in another ten years.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

"Modem Holocaust" sounds like some synthwave death metal band. I'm imagining Terminator imagery with some added 80s tech details for music videos, and the sound is kinda obvious.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 65 points 1 week ago

Right after learning how nice slavery was.

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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Welcome to the party, NYT. Better late than never I guess.

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[–] IvyisAngy@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (8323 children)

What the fuck happened in the comments?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

It's an old troll user who got banned for cause back in the day then went off the rails creating dozens to hundreds of alt accounts.

Some day they'll get the proper therapy and medication they need. Today is not that day. 😅

[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Good lord.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bruh

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It’s an old troll user who got banned for cause back in the day then went off the rails creating dozens to hundreds of alt accounts.

Some day they’ll get the proper therapy and medication they need. Today is not that day. 😅

If you block the user, it will hide their removed posts.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Zio York Times decides to do some journalism now that the genocide is at its peak.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More like washing up after the work is done.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.

Omar El Akkad

[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

Sadly when propaganda is 3/4 of the war, a lauded journalist is a type of commander. This was a calculated strike I assume.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Journalists do not get enough credit. Recently I heard the full 'oh the humanity' recording. It shocks me that its used as a joke because you hear the full thing and you follow the reporter as he starts to break down at what he is seeing its pretty horrific. But the whole time he stayed there telling people what was happening because as a journilist its his job to make sure the world understand what is going on. The video was being recorded separately and was certainly not being broadcasted for all he knew the job of informing the country what was happening rested soley on his shoulders and he did is absolute best and you can tell how hard it was for him to maintain some kind of composure.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

We need rate limiting for user comments, Jesus christ

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