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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 66 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Many freedmen after the US Civil War also adopted new surnames to separate themselves from slavery, adopting common last names or last names of white folk they were exposed to during the liberation of the South - including ~150,000 Irish-Americans who served in the Union Army. Furthermore, while Irish were considered white before the US Civil War, they were also 'lower' in social status, and intermarriages between white Irish and free Black folk were more common than with the white Anglo-American majority.

This isn't to say "definitely not" for "Does a Black person with an Irish surname have a bad history behind that surname?" - there was a significant minority Irish-Americans amongst the slaver class in the US. But it's also much less certain than the meme implies.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also it wasn't uncommon for black Americans and Irish Americans to marry, especially in new York. It was often Irish women marrying black men, but it wasn't exclusively that way.

[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Correct, lots of Irish came over well after slavery and were treated like shit. This is more appropriate for black Americans with Anglican surnames (Williams, Smith, etc)

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

An African-American comedian who moved to Sweden did a similar routine about his Swedish wife being naively excited when his DNA test showed him to be 4% Scandinavian.

[–] frog@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Reminds me of the ~~SNL~~ Key and Peele skit where they made a commercial for those companies that use your DNA to find out about your background.

Edit: Corrected a mistake.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm related to Thomas Jefferson! 😄

[–] Waffle@infosec.pub 6 points 3 weeks ago

I had ancestors come over on the Mayflower! (I'm brown)

[–] frog@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

Oops. Thank you for the correction.

[–] sk1nnym1ke@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

So his great great great great great ... great grand father was a viking who wanted to sail to america but landed in africa.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Im sorry if im being ignorant but why is this so bad?

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Slave masters would give their surnames to the people they owned. Sometimes they raped their slaves.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

Ah okay i was overthinking it

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I have a friend (palest of white) who had a black person say my friend’s last name sounds black. Replying was a bit awkward.

[–] peacepath@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

During human races ideology time, Iris were seen as "white blacks" (actually "white n...") right?

Have they got white priviledges before the end of that ideology?

[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’m African American and my family’s last name was an interesting one because it is very German sounding but with a twist.

That’s when I learned that the reason for this was due to my ancestors being given that name by their…”new family”…but they didn’t want to give them the actual name so they put a twist on the spelling just slightly.

Apparently that was a thing with a lot of last names given by the “new family”.

Example: Villiams is the slaver’s last name so the slave gets the last name Williams. Close enough to be recognized, but not enough to note equality.

[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When I was a kid, I used to watch the Mike Douglas Show (I'm old). One time, he had a guy on who supposedly discovered the family coat of arms for people. The guy brought framed coats of arms for everyone on the show, including not just Douglas but also a black vocalist (I think it might have been Shirley Bassey). I was like all of 12, but even I knew how awkward that was. I guess I'm saying it seems more people don't know than do.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this meme trying to break class solidarity?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

More trying to emphasize that a bit of sensitivity and context are not amiss when dealing with the issue of the history of surnames and Black Americans, which is not a bad thing at all.

Think of it more as an encouragement to intersectionality.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

How does this help intersectionality? I don't quite get that. It seems, to me, to imply that black people with Irish surnames are supposed to assume they have them because of slavery. As pointed out elsewhere in the comments, though that is true and has happened, it's not all instances.

To me, something intersectional would be highlighting both these groups have faced historical racism rather than, what to me ses like, trying to highlight something potentially negative one of these did to the other without bringing a bunch of receipts. 🤷‍♂️