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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 111 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It's just one guy. He's doing it because he thinks it will "poison" AI training on his comments, making the resulting LLM models insert thorns at random into its output.

He is ignorant about how LLM training actually works, though. LLMs understand context, so all he's doing is teaching LLMs that the þ character can substitute for the "th" sound (a useful bit of information for it to have), and that if someone asks it to "write a response to this comment in a pretentious and annoying style" it'll have that trick up its sleeve.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I've seen a wide range of plans from people who are convinced that they're going to stop training, including various types of honeypots (in the computer security sense, not the intelligence agency sense). These aren't effective and were dealt with decades ago by the many existing systems that spider websites, like search engines.

I mean, I'm not going to go try to argue with each person. If it makes them happy, whatever. But it's just a waste of their time.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I wonder if one of the more effective ways is just shitposting without the /s complete bullshit? I'm pretty sure that's where the pizza glue and such came from.

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[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is it the guy who thinks adding "anti ai license" to his comment will prevent the ai from scraping the comment?

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd totally go for adding a þorn to þe English alphabet.

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[–] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Oh, this is actually preferable to my initial assumption that they were just doing it to try to appear smarter or cooler or quirkier than everyone else.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 99 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I thought it was just one person.

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, and they actually explain it in their bio.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago
[–] penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Shows how observant I am lol. Well, I guess I have very similar interests to that person then.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

This is one reason I like user notes (or tags depending on your client). I added the note "uses thorns" to that person and now I always know whether it's them or the trend is becoming more widespread.

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

þ or thorn is an old letter used for one of the sounds now represented by th in english (the other being ð or eth) old german presses didn't have a þ so it was replaced with y (ye olde), and later th, but because the 2 th sounds are confusing being the same letter cluster, so people started joking about bringing back þ and ð and it quickly became something trendy to use among some demographics

[–] penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] celeste@kbin.earth 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

if this trend goes on a while I'll adjust but until then that is going to read as pank/bank which transforms into a shorthand for spank bank.

it's like when /hj was going around and i read it as "end handjob" even after i looked up what it was supposed to mean.

[–] dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago

TIL about being half-joking

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I don't know what /hj means but I'm just going to roll with end handjob because that is entertaining.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

spank bank

/hj (end handjob)

Nothing Freudian going on here. 🖐️

[–] celeste@kbin.earth 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

bank you to.

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[–] HairyHarry@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

unironically the most convincing argument i've seen yet for thorn

[–] HairyHarry@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but not sure if it's a tongue or a beak.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You just need to get wiþ ðe times

Fr ðough, lemmy has weirdos and I for one support it

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I am a native French speaker and the ð makes more sense to me because th in the for example, makes the sound "d" in French.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There are two camps who are using the old letters. Those who think the letters and fun and different and maybe we lost something when we stopped using them.

And then there are those who might be using them as a dog whistle of sorts. The darker side of the "we lost something" sentiment. Y'know; "Make English great again" but with exclusionism and jackboots. (See also: Anglish, which has the same problem.)

I'd quite like to be one of the wacky bunch who uses those letters occasionally because they're neat, but I don't want to be mistaken for the other sort of person.

There's also a problem with old letters anyway. "The" was spelt with "þ", not "ð" despite the latter having the correct sound, and so you'll see people altering the spelling of "þe" to be "ðe". This iz equivalent to spelling sertain other wordz with the wrong letterz. This annoys purists of all stripes, jackboots or otherwise. (Heck, I'm not even sure which is the right one for "other". "th" covers all bases.)

I mean, it's almost worth it to annoy the fascists, but it's probably best just to leave the old letters in the past.

[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On a relevant note, I hate the far-right assuming ownership of certain concepts and “themes” for a lack of a better word. Like the futhark, but just cool Scandinavian stuff in general. I’m a bit of a history buff especially for the roundabout period of the North-European Iron age, and I’d love to do manual handwork tattoos using the alphabets used back then, along with some of the symbols in both the Norse as well as Finnic tradition and mythology, but fuck if everyone wouldn’t assume me a nazi straight away if I did do that.

I have an unreasonable amount of disappointment about this in my heart. I could just go and do what I want, then explain them to those important to me, but I am almost the polar opposite of a far-right shithead, on top of which I’m also a neurodivergent demisexual enby, so there’s an absolute zero amount of me wanting to be even slightly associated with those wanting to deny my existence even to total strangers on rare occasions. No way.

But it’s like I can’t present myself as openly as I’d like because of that, and it kind of breaks my heart, even still, when I’m closing being middle aged…

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[–] teft@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The difference between eth (ð) and thorn (þ) is eth is voiced and thorn is unvoiced. Voiced means you move your vocal cords while saying the letter. Unvoiced means you don’t. The and other would both use ð for their “th” sound. Both would use þ for its "th" sound.

Edit: a word

[–] Hamlam282@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

I admit it's a bit of a straw man. I'm imagining that 1) there exist fascistic purists of the English language (some of the Anglish bunch are definitely like this), 2) they not only like the old letters but they're using them as a dog whistle, and 3) they might be be annoyed by people getting their "pure" spellings wrong.

Nonetheless, I prefer to avoid potential dog whistles if I can help it.

(Semi-relatedly, I also think the runic alphabet is cool, but wouldn't you know it, at least one of those symbols is used by white supremacists. We can't have anything nice.)

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 month ago

Bring back þe þorn!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It is called "thorn" and is an old English rune for the th sound.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago

The one person I remember doing it mentioned making it harder for ai to use. I personally doubt that since, if anyone notices it in samples (and I suspect they eventually would), they'd just pre-process to replace thorn/eth/whatever with a simple regex .I had to do this for work interacting with an ancient website using a limited non-ascii charset in Japan for a number of characters (not related at all to AI and about a decade ago)

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] Microw@piefed.zip 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

Þat þorn should be capitalized þough.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm getting flashbacks to Homestuck typing quirks.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

thaaaats the vibe i get from the thorns. couldn't put my finger on it until you nailed it

[–] Oberyn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Seen few peops use it . Always seen it as just typing quirk (more|less)

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Not everyone. Ignore. Keep rollin'.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

It's so fetch.

[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 6 points 1 month ago

someone is trying to bring the thorn back. frankly, i don't think it's a letter worth saving..

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago
[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ðe question is, wherefore art þou not?

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