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Summary by Andi:

A teenage hacker named Reynaldo Vasquez-Garcia discovered that the Halo 3C vape detector, which looks like a standard smoke detector in school bathrooms, contained hidden microphones and security flaws that allowed it to be turned into a secret listening device[^1].

Working with another hacker known as "Nyx," Vasquez-Garcia found the device could be hacked by exploiting weak password controls and firmware update vulnerabilities. Once compromised, attackers could use it to eavesdrop on conversations in real-time, disable its detection capabilities, create fake alerts, or play audio through its speaker[^1].

The researchers revealed these findings at the 2025 Defcon hacker conference, demonstrating how any hacker on the same network could hijack a Halo 3C by brute-forcing passwords at 3,000 attempts per minute. The device's firmware could also be modified since its encryption key was publicly available in updates on the manufacturer's website[^1].

Motorola, which owns the Halo 3C's manufacturer IPVideo Corporation, said it developed a firmware update to address the security flaws. However, the researchers argue this doesn't solve the fundamental privacy concern of having microphone-equipped devices installed in sensitive locations like school bathrooms and public housing[^1].

[^1]: Wired - It Looks Like a School Bathroom Smoke Detector. A Teen Hacker Showed It Could Be an Audio Bug

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

watch this garbage fail to prevent anything bad, but excel at surveilling children.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

Exactly as designed...

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This kid is going to have a career.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

in being persecuted by the state?

[–] MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

So, why are microphones included in smoke detectors? Is this a dumb failsafe where it activates if it hears other smoke detectors?

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It also has a microphone for listening out for “aggression,” gunshots, and keywords such as someone calling for help, a feature that to Vasquez-Garcia immediately raised concerns of more intrusive surveillance.

It's in the article. I'd cause so many false positives for 'aggression' when taking a shit. My God this is terrible

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Does it report you talking shit about the local government to the authorities? At this point, it doesn't seem that far-fetched.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I doubt they built it with the processing power for that when the audio picked up from a large number of these placed throughout the building can all be routed to a central server with the power to follow people around and maintain audio contact wherever they go.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's to hear the screams of people burning alive

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 10 points 9 hours ago

*The sound of children screaming has been removed*

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know, maybe to be activated when someone screams "Fire". I don't even know why smart smoke detectors, the traditional ones are working pretty good. Stupid, not "smart", the hype to include AI everywhere.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It is nice to have the smoke detector communicate out its status. I sure like to know when my house is on fire, even if I'm not home. And a notification about a battery being low is much nicer than incessant beeping.

None of this replaces the primary local, physical functionality. You don't depend on technology for the thing to work; it's just an addition.

[–] facow@hexbear.net 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It's apparently a vape and bullying detector. So ostensibly the mics are used for the bullying part. But it does make you wonder the vape detection actually works by just listening for "can I get a hit"

[–] Keyboard@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Right? So dumb 😂😂😂