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[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Back on Reddit, there were even complaints that EA's anticheat was conflicting with Riot's anticheat. Yep, now you potentially need two different installations of Windows to run each of your games. At this point, you would need to buy several SSDs and a SSD extension (or an external USB reader, since USB speeds nowadays are relatively fast enough to afford running those games from an external drive), then install each game (and operative system) in a different one, and swap between them before booting, just like a cartridge. Same would go, of course, for your actual main GNU/Linux drive that contains your actual personal data - that way, the anticheat can't even see your personal information, as it'd physically unplugged from your computer. And since Windows checks the license per motherboard, not per drive, you should be able to recycle the activation key between your Valorant "cartridge" and your Battlefield "cartridge". At this point, paying for a dedicated game console and the online pass starts becoming attractive...

...That, or just boycott multiplayer games altogether. If your group of friends doesn't mind, of course.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Didn't this only happen if you tried to run both games at the same time, which realistically should never be happening? The only time this might trigger is if one anti-cheat misses or drops the command to close for whatever reason and keeps running while the game is closed and you go to play the other game instead.

Both anti-cheats could just whitelist each other, though. Anti-cheats already have software whitelists, there is no reason they can't add each other. That automatically solves the problem without the consumer or developer needing to do anything other than update their software to the newest version.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 134 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now...

But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they're necessary, think they can't be spoofed.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

Small pp energy.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 121 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I love the Battlefield series but I'm not turning on Secure Boot for them. If it remains a hard requirement, I'll simply be passing altogether.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was able to get around secure boot by installing the beta on my PS5. From then, I had the pleasure of being unable to enter due to broken menus! Can’t complain for having spent nothing and having little trust in the franchise.

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[–] brezel@piefed.social 77 points 1 week ago (1 children)

beautiful. fuck secureboot.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] brezel@piefed.social 106 points 1 week ago (32 children)
  • some people run more than 1 OS
  • some people actually program and need to load unsigned shit all the time
  • some people have legacy hardware that doesn't run with secureboot
  • it is my decision and my decision alone how i boot my operating systems. not EA's.
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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Needlessly intrusive. Can obviously be circumvented by cheaters anyway, so quite possibly superfluous. Apart from that it protects against the kinds of attacks that typically require physical access to the computer. If you have physical access you have full access anyway. Etc.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (14 children)

If you have physical access you have full access anyway. Etc.

You know secure boot was specifically made to protect users for this exact use case. Any tampering of the system will prevent the system from booting.

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[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It fucks with Linux. I literally just disabled it to resolve a driver install issue before this announcement was made.

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[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (9 children)

So I can’t play battlefield without TPM? I hate tech these days. My Ryzen board doesnt have it. Hence why I’m not on windows 11

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I just refuse to enable it. It makes changing things a hassle.

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[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your anti-cheat doesn't work anyway so let me play in linux you cowards.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 0 points 6 days ago

They want to keep windows relevant so hard. Yeah, i enable secure boot, and let some kernel level anti cheat into my system. At least i don't have to play with cheaters. Oh there are still cheaters. So glad

[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It's disgusting, isn't needed, and just plain isn't effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it's just not effective.

[–] wizzim@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am not sure about this conspiracy theory of yours: Microsoft does not want third party applications in the kernel space anymore.

https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

So you got the spyware without the benefits, that's a hell of a surprise isn't it?

But thank you for your money suckers!

[–] poolhelmetinstrument@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is where we need dedicated servers and self moderation

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago

Yep.

Things were better when private servers had actual mods and admins, they acted more like pubs where you could go see the regulars, actually form a community.

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[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 2 points 6 days ago

Just clear the CMOS.

I had issues aswell where I couldn't boot, and you wanna know why? Because I didn't follow the step by step instructions EA tells you to follow. Follow those instructions, and it'll work just fine.

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[–] mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm glad I didn't enable Tivoization (Secure Boot) and TPM. Those suck, and actually froze our machines. It's literally useless at this point.

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[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Having Anti-Cheat of any kind outside of the game is laziness or lack of resources.

I believe just have physical limitations of the character or objects and verify the movement every once in a while to make sure that their movement is not super human (ie, aim bots).

You don't need a kernal level anti-cheat.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The best thing is back when Battlefield was Battlefield, it would self-regulate because most people played on self-hosted servers, so cheaters and bad actors were taken care of swiftly. But now they want their own control to put shitty bots and SBMM in the game, so here we are.

This whole game is a case of the devs making bad decisions and then instead of changing them decisions, they apply the quickest bandaid fixes they can.

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Kernel anti-cheat does absolutely nothing to prevent aimbots/triggerbots, as most are run using 2 separate machines, anyway. The first machine runs the game in a totally clean and legitimate environment, but sends its video output (either using standard streaming tools like OBS or by using special hardware) to the 2nd machine. The 2nd machine runs the cheat and processes the video to detect where to aim and/or when to shoot, and sends mouse input back to the 1st machine.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Why are people like this. How does this make gaming enjoyable?

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Honestly, if I had the skills I'd be doing that as an explicit fuck you to the draconian anticheat bullshit they force on everyone, because what better fuck you than showing all that effort was for naught, especially close to launch.

EA can go fuck themselves with the world's biggest cactus.

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (14 children)

They're gonna kill this game aren't they.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hm, yeah, it's something every developer should know; client-side validation of input still needs server-side validation, because client-side is not reliable, no mather what you force on them.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Pretty much the same as all the other modern BFs. They all had cheats in the Beta/early release versions. I’ve played and own literally every BF game since the original release of 1942. Cheats have always been present more or less.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 13 points 1 week ago

Server side anticheats need to be considered. Clientside has been annoying users far too much, and can be bypassed. A combination of both (and I’d like a less intrusive clientside one) would be better

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