The Swiss have the right idea to scale fines according to income.
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I have not heard about Switzerland, but this is true in Finland and Denmark at least.
We definitely do this. Not sure though if we only do it for repeat offenders. But there's a story of a rich woman that constantly sped because she could afford the ticket so they just fined her I think 1.4 Million CHF. She took it to court and lost.
In Italy this wouldn't work: all the assholes with cars speeding along highways are formally indigent, not paying any taxes.
The fine should be proportional to the value of the car, or to a formula that includes weight an power of the vehicle
Not paying any taxes is usually a sign of being very rich.
No. It should be tied to a percentage of the person's wealth value and garnished from any value directed to their estate.
But that's very be difficult to implement. You would have to start a financial investigation for every fine, an impossible task.
On the other side the nominal value of a car could be easily computed via official tables based on model and age. And you can be sure that rich people will drive expensive car, even if they don't own anything, on paper
Germany is the one country where you legally can drive 320+km/h
Why would you do in in a section with a speed limit?
The fastest I ever drove on the Autobahn was 200 kph (in a diesel Ford Fokus), which was an absolute blast.
After a bit, I saw headlights flash in my rearview mirror. I pulled into the right lane, and a Mercedes passed me like I was standing still. All the windows were tinted, and it seemed lower than usual.
Feelings of entitlement?
It may have been a 120kmh stretch of road which, at his speed, just wooshed past him.
Besudes, there's not that many autobahns left that are without speed restrictions, which is fair I suppose because going 300kmh on a public road is fucking terrifying.
Only about 70% of Germany's autobahn is w/o restrictions (ignoring from construction), so really it's almost nothing. /s
That's a lot of construction
No. About 10% of the German autobahn is under construction (at least partially). About 70% is regularly w/o speed restriction, temporary limits due to construction projects not counted. That is not a small amount, hence the /s. You can drive as fast as you want on ~2/3 of our autobahn kilometers.
I drove through Germany 2 years ago and there was no lack of Autobahn.
I didn't go out looking for it at all and found myself on it constantly
But most of it will have a speed limit.
He could have just run the Autobahn to the north of Berlin and go towards the baltic sea the Autobahn there is without limit, literally less than half an hour
If you don't wanna click:
They went 321 km/h on a 120 km/h section with their Porsche. They were fined 900€, three months suspended and got two points added
You could do literally anything and not get your driving license revoked in Germany, it’s ridiculous
Yeah our city has introduced 30 km / h zones and everyone treats them like 50 km / k zones and goes 55 - 60 km / h. If you actually stick to the speed limit it’s common for people not to keep their distance and even honk at you. During the weekend people sometimes drive 80 - 90 km / h in these areas.
It really sucks that nobody cares about enforcing the speed limit. They should just put some speed bumps there so that people cannot go that fast in these areas first place.
Maybe this could help you
Zwar ist es nicht möglich, einen Blitzer zu „bestellen“, aber Sie können die Behörde durchaus darauf aufmerksam machen, dass ein solcher in Ihrer Straße sinnvoll wäre. Hierfür sollten Sie Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen notieren und Ihre Aufzeichnungen der Polizei übergeben.
You can't 'order' a speed camera, but you should take note of speedings. And how am I supposed to do that with any sort of evidential value? Lest from my bedroom at night when I try to sleep and some asshole just wants to be a loud motherfucker?
I live in Germany and know someone who got banned from driving for being caught with weed when he didn't even have a license yet (so he was banned from being allowed to even obtain a license) and this motherfucker drives over 200km/h over the limit and gets to keep his?
Had that been Denmark, the car would have been confiscated. Like, it’s not yours anymore and it will be sold in an auction.
1000$??!? That is in no way proportionate to the danger this person poses. He should be fined 20% of his yearly income, have his car seized without recourse and not be allowed to drive for several years at least. What in the actual fuck, sanctions for driving related crimes are extremely low in Germany.
If you kill someone you go to jail. Unless sou were driving a car to do it.....
Not a big enough fine. Also why not give an article using actual measuring units? He was going km/h and was most likely fined in €.
Edit: nevermind it does say 320km/h and 900€. Why does the blurb not say it?
Why does the blurb not say it?
The article lists both, and has the imperial and US dollar figures secondary in parentheses.
Why that was the source chosen, and those numbers picked out of the article to be posted in the Europe community is a good question.
Why that was the source chosen, and those numbers picked out of the article to be posted in the Europe community is a good question.
OP joined Lemmy 2 months ago and has made 3,600 posts containing an insane amount of links to other articles, and apparently has been banned from some communities. Claims not to be a bot. Take from that what you will.
Yeah I checked the article but it really does not say much more than the blurb. So the question of the blurb remains perplexing.
for the lazy one: 320km/h on 120 km/h limited road (also mph works but kph is missing the actual unit no?)
BERLIN (AP) — A motorist was clocked driving at more than 320 kph (199 mph) on the Autobahn west of Berlin, a record high at more than 124 mph above the speed limit, German police said.
The driver was handed a fine of 900 euros ($1,043), stripped of two points from his driver’s license and banned from driving for three months, the Magdeburg police office said Tuesday.
Not that crazy, I don't remember how much point is the maximum before you lose your driving licence in Germany ?
I don’t remember how much point is the maximum before you lose your driving licence in Germany?
8 points and you lose your license. You can then get it back after a minimum of 6 months.
Do note, that points drop after a set time, depending on
- 1 point = dropped after 2.5 years
- 2 points = dropped after 5 years
- 3 points = dropped after 10 years
I like that in Denmark they confiscate your car even if it's lot yours. If you do something extremely dangerous they just keep it and sell it (after a judge deems it so)
way too lenient