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    [–] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 2 days ago

    The thing is, one of the big root causes behind those fights is also a root cause of what makes Linux and FOSS so great: The devs care about the software and its users. Their priority is making the right decision for the application and its users. That's a pretty stark contrast to certain other mainstream operating systems where the primary stakeholders are not the devs or the users -- it's some third party a thousand miles away who only cares whether the dev teams' decisions sprinkle a few more dollar bills on top of their cash mountain.

    I'm not part of those fights and defending them, btw. I just use Mint and appreciate their efforts!

    [–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago
    [–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 115 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Me, a new Linux convert, watching all the infighting over minutiae:

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    "I love a good sitcom!"
    "Oh, what's your favourite? Friends? Seinfeld? Fesh Pince?"
    "None, it's wayland-protocols"

    [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    A sitcom about linux developers who constantly argue about minutia could actually be fun if written correctly. They could borrow a bunch of real life incidents and write them in.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    GNOME: "...and that's why I think client-side decorations are the greatest. What do you guys think?"

    The camera zooms out to reveal all other desktop environments staring, stone-faced, at GNOME. After a moment, KDE speaks up:

    "You really can't help putting your foot in your mouth."

    Laugh track plays at 300% volume, followed by the Seinfeld outro.

    [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

    Make the seinfeld outro deep fried, like that thomas the tank engine tune and you got yourself a deal buckaroo

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    [–] marcos@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    There's a Youtube channel that mostly just follows the wayland bug tracker.

    [–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)
    [–] marcos@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

    Ouch, I don't follow him, YT just sends me the videos all the time.

    It's officially about Linux, so I'm not sure I've got it right. I think it's this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/@BrodieRobertson

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    [–] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

    More like the reverse in my experience. Users fight each over the most petty things

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 91 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (17 children)

    Linux users are peaceful* and level-headed*.

    * barring discussions about Wayland, X11's obsolescence, Systemd, Pipewire, Rust in the kernel, or even UEFI at times

    [–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Don’t forget arch btw

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    It's NixOS and CachyOS these days.

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Do you even nix, bro? I have Nix on my company issued Windows laptop inside WSL, btw.

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    [–] jimerson@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    I tried to use Wayland. My windows flickered to black. I switched to X11. No issue. I'll try Wayland again next year. -casual Linux user

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Narrator voice: "Six years later, they still haven't tried it again."

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    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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    [–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    More like:

    That why linux is great, it open-sources its drama so everyone can enjoy it

    [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 5 points 2 days ago

    We ❀️ drama 🐧

    [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    It beats the alternative of Microsoft's support forums where thousands comment for weeks straight INCLUDING paid Indian "representatives" who ask for user diagnostic tool output, copy/pasting the same reply eleventeen thousand times a day, on a post from 8 years ago BUT not a single person has ever posted their solution EXCEPT "I reinstalled Windows."

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    have you tried running sfc /scannow ?

    [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

    oh, it succeeded? uh, run dism /online anway, that should work

    [–] rickywithanm@aussie.zone 8 points 3 days ago

    This was such a frustrating experience. I could probably count on one hand how many times I found a useful solution that wasn’t just copy paste

    [–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago

    What's great about the drama is you can just ignore it and everything still works.

    [–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    This is the way. "I just use Linux" is what I always say.

    [–] oppy1984 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    I'm considered tech support for my team at work, their always saying things like "well you're the Linux guy so you know how this stuff works". And then I have to explain "I just use Linux, I don't write the code, plus these are windows machines so it's completely different issues, and lastly I just type the problem into Google read the results and then tell you what I read"

    Them: well you are still tech support because I don't know how to do that.

    Me: wait you don't know how to type into Google.....no you know what fine, I'm tech support, tell management so I can get a raise.

    [–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Hi, former tech support (now cybersecurity) here. You /are/ tier one tech support. You handle it pretty much how they do, knowledge base documents and searching for solutions online. If things get really bad they might poke around directly and see if they can find a root cause before they escalate.

    That doesn't mean they can demand you do anything, but it does mean you shouldn't underestimate yourself :)

    [–] oppy1984 5 points 2 days ago

    Hey thanks. I had always heard the joke that the majority of tech support was knowing how to phrase Google searches, but thought it was a joke....I get the sense it's more a funny fact.

    Funny enough, I've done the poking around bit too, both in person and more commonly now remotely. And yeah nobody has demanded anything.... so far, lol. If I'm busy, or just have no clue what they're talking about, I just say that to them and tell them to call our outsourced help desk. So far everyone just drops their head and accepts my answer then makes the call and spends the next 2 to 3 hours deciding if they really need this job.

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    [–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

    Me following the recent bcachefs drama

    (Kent is objectively in the wrong & slightly bat shit, if you follow his many discussions in various forums where he defends himself)

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    [–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I love the drama :3.. gives me a great sense of schadenfreude. Unless the devs whose side im on are losing the debate

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    [–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 days ago

    Fighting means that you care.

    [–] nialv7@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

    Ok what is it this time? What did I miss

    [–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I think it's mostly the other way around. The developers are chill while the user base frothing with tribalism

    [–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I think the tribalism is mostly in jest. I've never actually seen two Linux users seriously fighting over their preferred distro or init system or whatever.

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    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    It's both.

    Christoph Hellwig, a kernel contributor, and a bunch of anti-Rust fossils, were sabotaging Rust-for-Linux projects for using their C APIs for months until Torvalds intervened, and have been actively hostile and abusive against R4L contributors until they left the project. Summary by Aussie Linux Man.

    XLibre, headed by a... shall we say, interesting figure, has attracted a rabid fanbase who are frothing at the mouth and calling Wayland woke DEI garbage that will destroy Linux. The first day of the git repo saw threats of gun violence, the antisemitic (((triple parenthesis))) dog whistle, openly transphobic statements by non-developers, and the owner's commitment to allow all of that under the banner of being "non-political". More context here, in the comments.

    [–] drath@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

    XLibre, headed by a... shall we say,Β interestingΒ figure

    Still better than IBM/Redhat, tbh

    [–] sol6_vi@lmmy.retrowaifu.io 6 points 3 days ago

    It's like going to a restaurant for a particular atmosphere. Just another Tuesday here. Eat your meal and move along.

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