Actually yes. They did vote for this.
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During the 1986-1992 California drought, we were informed in the San Francisco Bay Area region that water service prices were going to go up unless we conserved strictly.
They said this to a bunch of California hippies, on account that we were in California.
So we way got on board. We stopped flushing. Any water that was rendered non-potable we'd repurpose for watering plants or filter it for second use. Japanese naval baths (weird tiny bowl seats and a sponge, used in the Imperial Navy, WWII) got popular so people were keeping clean via a tenth of normal water usage.
We conserved too much according to the water department and they raised prices anyway.
This sparked some investigations (by journalists, since investigative journalism was still a thing then) and found that agriculture got water for much cheaper, and was still using it once before flushing it (now laced with pesticides) out into the sea. Needless to say, we conservationist hippies were livid.
It's still a problem, as the utility companies routinely lobby our congress and governor (and Newsom may know how to be a California liberal, but he's still a Dianne-Feinstein-style ( / Nancy-Pelosi style) money-grubbing neoliberal. He just has game, especially when opposed to far right idiots. The setup in Monster's Inc (power crisis in a city where scream is the principal power source) was inspired by the Enron fraud affair leading to rolling blackouts and Texas siphoning off California's general fund. And our governments from Schwarzenegger (who I will never forgive) to Newsom are in the pocket of PG&E. (I'm on SMUD now and my bill is conspicuously less.)
Also, according to Climate Town, the Sauds own a lot of California farmland, where they grow alfalfa to import to the mid-east to feed their cows. Alfalfa crops are one of the most water hungry, and is one of the big ways beef is driving the climate crisis (and towards a massive food shortage and global famine!) and the water tables, to which they have access and first-tap rights, gets lower every year. π
So I suspect that the Texas AI centers are getting water at a cheaper rate than private homes. Maybe it's something to get active about.
This but just the Microsoft logo lol
"Since Microsoft dropped its DEI initiatives, it's good actually!"
Well, I mean...Not for nothing, but Texas being one of the reddest states there is, and even being willing to double it down by heavily gerrymandering themselves for Trump worship, means that they did vote to serve their deep state and oligarch overlords. Which is quite ironic for the small government party. And that's coming from me, who believes in the potential of AI for humanity in the long-term, but only if used responsibly and not at the cost of people's quality of life to satisfy the corrupt elite.
But then again, irony is in their DNA, starting with all their preaching about "keeping kids safe". Speaking of which, Trump files where? I need to check if Epstein's name comes up in those.
Texan here: we barely get to vote on shit at all. And they're gerrymandering to make it even harder.
I'd call Texas a clown car but it's too big to qualify.
Yes, Texas did vote for that. Haha, Red states suffering is funny.
Whether or not they did we all exist under the same atmosphere.
People should be angry and upset about this. Similar to the story some weeks ago where residents of a small Texan town (seemingly rightfully at first) complained about the noise pollution of a Bitcoin mining farm. Turns out they all voted Republican. It's always "we'll deregulate and bring business" just that the modern businesses they bring are a net negative for the area except for the politicians and the companies. Is almost like these regulations were there for a reason.
Both Bitcoin and AI are stupid VC money that only matters in a very small bubble, and they're not business in a traditional sense. They just leech resources at their compute centers to make the people who own them and live far away rich. I pity all this who didn't vote for this kind of bullshit. The rest, enjoy your shorter showers and everything else! But remember, it's the Dems who want to dictate stuff like water usage. Not in my free country! Oh, the water is gone because a greedy Corp stole it? That's fine, one day it's my turn to be rich.
its funny how these AI centers are mostly if not all in red states only, simply because they know the legislation wont do anything, and encourage them anyways, plus the resident that leans right are less likely to make a big fuss over it.
It's always a good idea to put computer centers in areas with water scarcity. /s
elon is currrently using the aquifer drinking water under memphis to cool grok. heβs also powering it with generators and smogging out the city.
please do not use grok.
I don't care, nothing will come inbetween me and my boi, mecha hitler!
/j if that wasn't obvious
If AI centres need so much cooling, why are they building them in Texas in the first place?
Lack of regulations of all kinds
On a suspicion, I had a quick look, and of course there's also tax incentives, apparently.
Love this quote "Texas had long been a preferred location for large data centers given its central location, economic climate, reliable electric grid, historically low occurrences of natural disasters, educated workforce and pro-business environment." :|
...reliable electric grid, historically low occurrences of natural disasters, educated workforce...
Lol. More like, "...pro-business environment with developing-nation levels of regulation while still having a minimally sufficient power grid, the kind of natural disasters that don't affect data centers enough to offset cost savings and a desperately exploitable and cheap workforce.
I'm aware Texas has some top tier educational institutions, but for whatever reason, they're not accessible to their workforce. Texas is about #30 for education in the US.
pro-business environment.
Found the reason
Why the fuck do they alway pick the driest places to use the most water. Fucking morons
I always rant about tech moving to Austin.
They need low heat, reliable power, cheap / fast internet, and an abundance of water.
Texas is literally none of those things.
We have low regulations though. Which is why they do it.
Industrial cooling is all about evaporating some liquid into gas. For evaporative coolers, that liquid is water and works best if the air is dry and water is plentiful (the absurd part). If you don't have water or the air is so humid that evaporation is difficult, the liquid is expensive refrigerant which must recycle back into liquid in a closed loop with a gas compressor that pumps the waste heat into the air through forced convection heat exchangers (big fans blowing air past hot refrigerant-filled pipes), all of which consumes a lot of energy.
Ideally, we'd live in a post scarcity society in which huge arrays of solar panels would provide electricity to run closed-loop refrigerant plants that would consume zero water to cool our data centers.
Imagine not having obese AI fart videos because you want a shower?
I don't understand why AI data centers would CONSUME water. Once they fill up their chiller loops, then... that's it, right?
It's hard for me to imagine them relying on the temperature of the incoming water, and dumping all the warm water as discharge.
They're probably using cooling towers, which cool through evaporation. They should be using reclaimed though.
As long as it is cheaper to buy water, then evaporate it, big firms will continue to do so.
With a COP of around 15 and up it is difficult to argue with the economy of this.
Local regulation would be required, but that would need politicians who don't suck.
I worked 10 years at a data center, all that water is recycled - it is very carefully chemically balanced so as to not corrode the pipes and pumps, no they do not use it once and dump it out.
From what I've seen it's "not worth the effort or expense" to reuse the water. Some of them literally just send tap water through the cooling loops and then into the sewer drains
Stoopid Texans. You've got the guns, start using the things. If they need cooling, maybe aerate a few blocks of servers for them.
The priorities are completly screwd up. If they found a way to power the AI datacenters with humans, Matrix style, would they ask Texans to sacrifice their first borns to do so?
Nice to see humanity has its priorities straight as usual... :)
So not only are Corporations... People
Now they are more important people than regular citizens?
don't be selfishn, Microsoft AI will be used by the whole world and only few people will need this water to shower.
S/ hahahha
@grok this true?
incomprehensible text about being mechahitler
Grok: "Antisemetic, communist bankers are being stingy with public water."
Sorry, but a vibe coder just told Chat GPT to fully implement their code. Now you can't shower. Suck it!
You should complain whenever million gallons of water are wasted by corporations seeking profits or by governments for their shady operations. Not just when it's about AI.
LOL! The Red Run Deregulated Texas Oblast does not surprise me with this kind of shit. If it dries up, the fucking red voters can stay and find the fuck out.