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The House has passed a resolution standing with Israel in the aftermath of attacks by Hamas (www.politico.com)

submitted 1 year ago by davel@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml

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Nine progressive Democrats voted nay:

Jamaal Bowman
Andre Carson
Cori Bush
Al Green
Summer Lee
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Ilhan Omar
Delia Ramirez
Rashida Talib

They were joined by one Republican, Thomas Massie.

Six Democrats voted present on the resolution: Greg Casar, Joaquin Castro, Nydia Velázquez, Ayanna Pressley, Chuy Garcia and Pramila Jayapal.

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[+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] MxM111@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fuck Hamas though. Aiming for and killing civilians in hundreds is not a good thing.

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Hamas exists because Israel have been oppressing Palestine for so long. It doesn't mean they're "the good guys", just a reaction to violent oppression but with more violence.

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[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure but after this resolves, you'll happily go back to ignoring Israel's daily crimes against Palestinians and just wait until Hamas does something else to start complaining again

Hamas is blowback for Israel's insane policy of keeping people on reservations, denying them freedom and controlling all basic necessities and.

Israel is a fascist apartheid state 365 days a year

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Me? No. I have always criticized Israel for what it was doing, but as long as “destroy Israel” attitude exists in Palestine, quite a few things were justified.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel bombed a refugee camp this week killing the entire family down to the grandchildren of a journalist it did not like. Hamas are bad guys doing bad shit no doubt about it, Israel are the bad guys though, it's through their actions that all of this has come. They have displaced and systematically culled an entire people.

I'm not defending what Hamas did, but when your corner people and inch closer and closer to them, applying pressure and pressing down your boot you do not get to be surprised when they lash out.

Israel failed it's people.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is possible for a story to have two sets of bad guys.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only one of them is attempting to eradicate the other and receiving support from western countries, up to and including military aid.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, both of them are attempting to eradicate the other. It's very true there's a massive power disparity, and obviously Israel gets a huge amount of western support. Let's not fool ourselves though: if Hamas had the power to genocide every Jew in Israel, they would.

DISCLAIMER BEFORE SOMEONE TRIES TO MISINTERPRET ME: Hamas only represents a small number of Palestinians, and the PLO has been entirely peaceful since the 90s. This in no way justifies Israel's response.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That disclaimer is doing a lot to be fair, it is the legitimate government with the people's support committing these atrocities while it is a terrorist organisation that seized control in Palestine that is doing it on the other side. While I'm not naive enough to think there is no support from eithers population it is the case that this situation has been pushed on Palestinians whereas Israel have opted for it.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For context, the numbers I've seen suggest it's around 57% of Gazans have at least a "somewhat positive" view of Hamas. However, 62% of Gazans supported Hamas maintaining the ceasefire (ofc this was before the attack).

The crazy part is, that had Israel had a calm and measured approach, using targeted munitions on confirmed targets only, minimizing civilian casualties, kept the food+water+electricity flowing during the military action, and kept firm rule of law vs settler reprisal attacks in the west bank, they would have moved the needle on Hamas support.

Now they've all but guaranteed the radicalization of a new wave of terrorists for the foreseeable future. This unjustified violence is truly self-defeating.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if Hamas were to disappear tomorrow who will oppose the Israelis?

You?

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Screw Israel government. Screw Hamas. Screw West Bank illegal settlements. Screw Netanyahu.

Support the civilians of Israel and Palestine.

Not that hard to take this stance.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Exactly.

[–] Cockmaster6000@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The US stands with Israel even after it attacks our own ships.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't find this, care to provide source?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wikipedia: USS Liberty incident

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Does fact downvoting pay well? Because I’m looking for a new side hussle.

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[–] wombat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Absolutely disgusting. They'll hand wring about Xinjiang in one sentence and then do this in the next.

[–] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Well ... it didn't take them long after choosing a speaker, that's good? I think?

Also, did this surprise anyone?

[–] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

amerikkka

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Well, nobody certainly didn't see that coming.

[–] Drxmiz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

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