I mean sure they should ideally get out of Ukraine territory. But realistically, that land is dead and useless, filled with mines and bomb crater's. And Russia will not give up all their captured territory unless completedly defeated/unable to continue the war, also unlikely. So is getting all territory back really worth all the loss of life and the correct diplomatic approach? Russia won't end the war losing their captured territory, or rather Putin will not.
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Ukraine would stop all attack if russia left Ukraine (inc crimea) but the russia nazi oligarchy refuses
Tad backwards, the nazi regime is Ukraine
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. The real Nazi regime ia projecting their Nazism upon the country they are invading. Kinda like the Nazi regeime of 1939...
Ukraine is the country with the neonazi battalions, you can't just ignore that.
Proof?? Alligations are just that
Ya know, like this
The Asov battalion is real and I don't think anyone disputes it.
Yes, the batallion is real. The nazi part is an alligation. Show proof that azov are nazi
Or is your propagandaized little mind incapable of understanding prood vs allegations
From what Ive seen, azov will take POW where russians execute them when unarmed. Which one is more nazi like?
The accuser has the burden of proof. Till proof is shown, it is all just russian nazi propaganda
Show proof that azov are nazi
ok
- https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/
- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-azov-battalion-mariupol-neo-nazis-b2043022.html
- https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
- at one time even Radio Free Europe was writing about them being nazis: https://www.rferl.org/a/azov-ukraine-s-most-prominent-ultranationalist-group-sets-its-sights-on-u-s-europe/29600564.html
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade
(here is snopes investigating that photo)
"He said he supports strong leadership for Ukraine, like Germany during World War II, but opposes the Nazis' genocide against Jews. Minorities should be tolerated as long as they are peaceful and don't demand special privileges, he said, and the property of wealthy oligarchs should be taken away and nationalized." Usa-Today
Seems like there is a bit of miss interpretation of the word Nazi here
'While the Azov Battalion represents only a tiny fraction of the brave Ukrainian defence forces fighting Russia, their regional notoriety has enabled Mr Putin to put across a useful lie to “justify” his invasion of a free democratic nation.' Independant
So a tiny minority that has virtually no power makes all of Ukraine a Nazi state??
On its face, Putin’s smear is absurd, not least because Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and has said that members of his family were killed during World War II. There is also no evidence of recent mass killings or ethnic purges taking place in Ukraine. Moreover, labeling enemies Nazis is a common political ploy in Russia, especially from a leader who favors disinformation campaigns and wants to stir up feelings of national vengeance against a WWII foe to justify conquest. - NBC Opinion piece
"Azov is a far-right all-volunteer infantry military unit whose members – estimated at 900 – are ultra-nationalists and accused of harbouring neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology." & 'In 2015, Andriy Diachenko, the spokesperson for the regiment at the time said that 10 to 20 percent of Azov’s recruits were Nazis.' - Aljazeera
So 900/12,000 makes Azov all nazi??
'It was Azov's Semenyaka who hosted Rundo along with fellow Americans Michael Miselis and Benjamin Daley, RAM members who participated in last year's "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, that was the backdrop for the death of 32-year-old counterprotester Heather Heyer.' - Radio Free Europe
So is America a nazi state too??
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/proud-boys
Sure there is a small minority of people with shit outlooks but that doesnt make Ukraine a Nazi state
Show proof that azov are nazi
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- Washington Post, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Kyiv Post, 2019: United Nations: 13,000 killed, 30,000 injured in Donbas since 2014
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- New York Times, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
In contrast: Noam Chomsky: Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq
Do you think Trump is, like, opposed to Nazis?
Trump doesnt even know what a nazi is. Again, IS America a nazi state?
His administration is full of Nazis and they're conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign where masked terror agents are rounding people up into concentration camps.
Seems pretty Nazi-like, don't you think?
Fair, I grant you that. Let me rephrase my question, before 2025, was America a Nazi state?
The Nazis were inspired by the US. The concentration camps were inspired by the reservation system and the plantations.
The US has since gone through multiple periods of reform, but it was still engaged in ethnic cleansing and mass incarceration and brutal policing and empire building.
It even supports Israel because it wants a place to send its Jews and its apocalyptic Christian death cult believes all the Jews will be either converted or exterminated by the second coming after Israel is completely colonized. The original Nazis actually collaborated with Zionists to send German Jews to Israel, after all.
The US never really stopped being the settler-colony that inspired the Nazis. It's the OG
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/azov-battalion-neo-nazi/
We know they started as a neo-Nazi paramilitary/street gang, which is why the US once designated them as a terrorist organization.
If you refuse to see the obvious facts in front of your face, I'm not going to be able to convince you.
And it doesn't matter.
They're going to fucking lose and there's nothing you can do about it.
But the truth is that this is an easily debunked fantasy spun out by a handful of propagandists. Yet Western media has repeated their falsehoods with a neglect for the basic tenets of journalism that stretches beyond the fog of war into the realm of intentional blindness.
Nope not a single Russian talking point anywhere to be found.
Try a non biased article, or video
If Ukraine is about to loose why did they just take back a town in Sumy??
How much land has russia taken this year? How many losses per that land?? Where are russias tanks??
If you think The Nation is biased toward Russia, then no outlet will be “unbiased” in your estimation.
If Ukraine is about to loose why did they just take back a town in Sumy??
How much land has russia taken this year? How many losses per that land?? Where are russias tanks??
Either you haven’t been paying attentionl or your sources are the most Western-biased of all.
How donI know Ukraine has talen back a town in Sumy if I werent paying attention?
War maps tend to be neutral.
Putin is a Nazi fuck