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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/33487836

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST

The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.

Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.

In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 2 days ago

Manipulative title, fuck off.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Didn't pass the purity test. Back to being a field slave. Also, you personally aren't doing enough and are therefore colluding with the oppressors. I am infallible.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You are allowed to say you like progressive policies and also hate giving weapons to genociders.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

But no blood on the doors or Schumer or Jefferies.

This whole shitshow is just the octillionth example of the left biting its own dick off instead of attacking the fascists stomping on it.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 96 points 3 days ago (25 children)

AOC's post:

Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it.

What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities while allowing the actual bombs killing Palestinians to continue.

I have long stated that I do not believe that adding to the death count of innocent victims to this war is constructive to its end. That is a simple and clear difference of opinion that has long been established.

I remain focused on cutting the flow of US munitions that are being used to perpetuate the genocide in Gaza.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I understand this argument. Everything is essentially money. If America gives them funding for the Iron Dome, that leaves Israel with more money to buy offensive weapons.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

So, this is a dumb explanation. It's like saying you would never support giving a knight a sword, just armor and a sheild. The armor and sheild are what let's him mow down peasants on the battlefield with impunity, you can't separate them out.

That being said, this is getting fucking ridiculous. The amendment was never going to pass (it got 6 votes), so this was entirely symbolic. Beyond that, she voted against the defense spending bill it was attached to, so in end, she didn't support arms to anyone. She's also one of the strongest voices on Gaza in congress (an admittedly low bar); she's been voting against sending arms to Israel since before October 7th, she usually votes, "present," on Iron Dome funding, and she's called what's happening in Gaza a genocide on the House floor. I can count on one hand the number of U.S. politicians willing to say, "genocide," when talking about Israel. Behind Omar and Talib, she's probably the most reliable pro-Palestinian Representative.

I'm assuming that she had some reason for voting against the amendment, and I assume it has to do with optics. Maybe she she thought siding with MTG would hurt her, maybe she thought voting against the Iron Dome would make her vulnerable to AIPAC attacks. It sucks, but Bowman and Bush both lost their seats to AIPAC money. The reality is you have to play politics sometimes, and if that means not making a symbolic vote for a doomed amendment, that's not the worst compromise to make.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Cutting off defense seems like a dumb move and I agree with AOC on this. We should cease all offensive weaponry sales as that’s clearly being used in a god damn genocide.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 days ago (34 children)

Cutting defense means they would have to shift the budget to defense.

Moreover you're helping the aggressor protect itself against finding out the consequences of their own action.

Fuck that noise.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Funding is funding.

Cut it all off.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why are we responsible for Israel's defense? they have free health care and education but our checkbook is open for iron dome missiles for them ? No. Thats American taxpayer money, not theirs. If they are rich enough to bribe the entire American government, then they are rich enough to buy their own missiles.

[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I bet that the US gets a lot of intel about the other countries in the region in return.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

More than that, Isreal is basically a forward opperating base of the US in the middle east. They're just the US with Groucho Marx glasses on, our sock puppet for genocide and imperialism.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thats speculative, and even if true, its not worth the cost, or the problems allying with israel creates. Israel is not useful to the US and never have been. Its all cost.

[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, it is speculative. That is what it means when a sentence starts with "I bet".

[–] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

According to her, she voted no to this bill. I’m very confused by this article.

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

She didn't vote yes to the amendment to the bill to remove defensive funding. She voted no to the whole bill the amendment applied to IIRC.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ahh, gotcha, so this is just a shit stirring article that tries to send a very misleading message

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[–] pete_link@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

She voted against an amendment that would block funds for Israel's Iron Dome "defensive" missile system, while Tlaib, Omar, Summer Lee and Al Green of Texas voted for it, along with 2 Republicans.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Big swing and a miss for AOC there.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago

You just posted evidence that you respond to clickbait headlines without knowing what the article says or is even about. Hallmark of a conservative voter

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

AOC doesn't miss. You're not listening to her or paying attention to the details/fine print. You can fuckin bet she is

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