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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 28 points 1 day ago

For every dollar a participant earns through employment they lose 50 cents from their basic income payment. This means the basic income proposal would only apply to individuals earning less than 34,000 CAD ($24,380) a year, or couples earning less than 48,000 CAD ($34,420).

This is not UBI.

UNIVERSAL basic income is UNIVERSAL: It doesn't matter how much you earn.

Oh, you pulled in a billion dollars last year? Here's your check for $12,000. To save us postage, we're including it in the same envelope as your $450,000,000 tax bill.

The universality of the system is the single most important component. We convey to our government(s) our political authority. They use our political authority to provide essential services, such as roads and courts and rule of law. They charge the taxpayer for those services. UBI is how they compensate us, the shareholders of our government(s) for the use of the political authority we grant them.

UBI is not a social program. It is not charity. It is the government finally paying out dividends to its citizen-shareholders.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I would rather see socialized housing, food, and (better) medical coverage than UBI. UBI could (maybe) cause the prices of essentials like housing to increase.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thinking about it, UBI will drive the prices of housing down because people don't have to live where work is available. Companies have to offer cheap housing or people will live elsewhere.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

This is a possibility, but I don't claim to be good enough at macro economics to be able to predict whether this will be the outcome or not.

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[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 160 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Every study of UBI has been overwhelmingly positive also every study of UBI has ended without enacting UBI. They will continue to study it until they get the answer they want.

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