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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why do americans think this is ww3? They are not the world and I really hope they will be ok their own with this war.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Last I checked, most people who voted for trump voted for him because they actually thought he would fix the economy. Only a fringe cares about identity politics.

While I personally believe people who voted for trump were naive at best, it is very disingenuous to pretend like they all voted for him because they hate trans people. Most normal people don't give a fuck about that shit. They just want to live and considering how chaotic the election was for the democrats, it makes sense that more people put their trust in the candidate who was there from the start.

It's a very boring answer, and it is not really an excuse for the current state of the US, but reality is often a lot duller than whatever narrative we like to cook up in our little heads after spending too much time on Twitter.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn't going to do that is secondary.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar -- but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!"

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

It's called nuance and it's a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won't change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.

Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream "moderates" entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell "steady as she goes" as policy (after all, that's what's best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven't yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.

I'm actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was "leftwing") all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn't related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.

The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can't tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch "steady as she goes with a few tweaks" which works only for the "I'm alright" well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won't really appeal to the bulk of voters.

I'm not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I'm saying it's understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.

Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the "inequalities" that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the "glass ceiling for women to become CEOs") aren't at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them "winners" the day they were born.

Anyways, now in America we're seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the "moderate" politicians there don't seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their "solutions" only make things worse.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.

But it really looks more like I’m trying to call for a rescue and you knock the phone out of my hand to hail the guy throwing rocks in the water

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I honestly do not think that it did.

That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don't buy it.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American's on average are that gullible.

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[–] dangling_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which doesn't make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones

[–] asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except the only indicator that matters to the oligarchic owner/operators of the USA, the wealth transfer to the rich.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah but almost all his voters are not oligarchs by statistics, they are just stupid

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