20% of the worlds prison population : memes

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

what "slavery is allowed if the enslaved person is a prisoner" does to you

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 day ago (8 children)

World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Isn't that graph a bit misleading

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In what way is it misleading? It seems straightforward to me.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I thought the states were being compared to other countries. Didn't look properly on the phone.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Even if, I think it's still a valid comparison as it's a rate.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

They are, and I agree it's misleading. It's implying that it's somehow shocking that the individual states of the county with the highest incarceration rate in the world also have a high incarceration rate. If it was absolute numbers, it would maybe make a point. As it is, it's stating the extremely obvious and framing it as "look, it's even worse than you thought".

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago

Thank you that's what I meant, I just couldn't put it into words properly.

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[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How is a per-capita incarceration rate, with a reference to the superset included directly on the plot, misleading? Other than including more than El Salvador for the sake of external reference, which is almost certainly a size issue.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought the states were being compared to other countries. Didn't look properly on the phone.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

They are (which is the point) the countries are in orange USA (as an overall average) and el Salvador are the only countries that make it on to the list.

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are! The other countries are so far down on the graph they are not visible

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 0 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Well yes because the US as a whole has a high number. If you added cities they would have even more in the high numbers. What's the point about that?

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[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

UHHH THATS JUST BECAUSE CHINA IS LYING HAHAA YOU REALLY BELIEVE THEIR OWN NUMBERS LOL??? oh third parties provided that data…. UHH WELL THEY DONT HAVE IPHONES AND THEYRE ALL POOR. oh… wait, they do have iphones now and china has a stronger middle working class than the US and canada?

hold on i need to go watch my tv for a couple hours to get a few more talking points but im gonna come back to this post and fucking own you

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[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -8 points 11 hours ago (43 children)

1 843 701 US prison population

1 686 108 China prison population

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 day ago

One is labeled as authoritarian dystopia while the other as a beacon of freedom, it's like we live in the upside down.

[+] p3n@lemmy.world -6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This happened right before the cultural revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine might have helped cut down the potential prison population...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (14 children)

You can read the chart: incarceration rate per 100,000.

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[+] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm not saying the US isn't shit with for profit prisons, but I'm not believing shit for any number that China provides on pretty much anything.

[–] veganbtw@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting because the number comes from the Institute for Criminal Research and not China, but go on with your total and complete acceptance of US propaganda and unfound hatred of China.

[–] match@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago

Real easy to get the numbers though

[+] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz -9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The rest are in undeclared labor camps

Goes for both

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The rest are in undeclared labor camps

Goes for both

US labor camps are not undeclared (though extraterritorial black sites are). They’re called prisons, and the labor is slave labor, thanks to the 13th amendment.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The previous user is a bit off base with the labor camps idea (not to say that the Xinjiang detention camps for Uyghurs aren't widely known), but it is worth noting that China does utilize administrative detentions/行政拘留 for smaller offenses which are kept statistically separate from prison counts.

If Raiden needs a source, the law covering administrative detentions can be reviewed here:

https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2021-01/23/content_5582030.htm

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

but it is worth noting that China does utilize administrative detention

Isn't that the same as Jails in the US which is separate from prison statistics?

Jail is where you go for the night when arrested for disorderly conduct and are released the next day.

[–] The_Hideous_Orgalorg@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jail is usually for holding during due process and for sentences up to a year. Prison is generally for sentences longer than a year.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://eji.org/news/brothers-jailed-8-years-for-refusing-to-leave-their-land/ Not always.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Administrative detentions can be longer. On paper they can hold you about a month, but it can be longer than that with a judge's signoff if they have proof of a crime.

This is typically where the police try to get you to confess to something and drag it out as long and uncomfortably as possible until you do, after which you either get to go free (though you end up on a list for a long time) or you may go to a "black jail"/黑監獄 which is a sort of under-the-table prison.

The terms of release can also sometimes require completion of a rehabilitation program, which is often the voluntary alternative to prison, or getting transferred to a short stay detention center for a few months to perform community service.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

That meme is working extra hard today but it's just so perfect for the occasion.

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[–] veganbtw@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Source: The US propaganda you received and believe uncritically.

What's next, you explaining their inherent need to lie because of their race?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago

So the US is still on top 👍

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