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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

This is the kind of shit Japan said about its Great East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere when it basically subjugated a lot of its neighbors prior to WWII... I hope history won't repeat itself in such a way.

[-] a1tb1t@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I came here to mention Japan's "Asia for Asians" campaign in the early 1900s. Glad to see I'm not the only history nerd commenting on this post!

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

No. Japan embraced European racial ideology but still wanted its own empire. This was problematic for Japanese imperialists because Europeans considered them as lesser life forms, and reiterated this in the League of Nations. Thus, capitalist Japan has always had to have a contradictory view of race, wanting to be equal to Europeans (and superior to non-Europeans) while not being European.

This racial view of the world is no longer so overt, but still exists. European leaders still consider themselves a white "garden" compared to the non-white "jungle". Who is considered European, Western, and/or white can be changed. Following the war in Ukraine, Russia has been described as Asian more frequently. For the collaborationist regimes in South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, they are often grouped in as the "West," but because they are undeniably Asian (unlike Russia), they will never be completely accepted. Racists don't ask you for your nationality before they push you off a cliff - they just look at you. Japan & South Korea need to realize that they are Asian instead of begging white supremacists to be honorary whites.

[-] seejur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm from Europe, and no one here or in america considers Korea or Japan uncivilized or a "jungle". On the opposite, lots of weebs and kpop/kdrama fans all around.

Most of the world has moved over the concept of race, and political ideologies are what now unite people. And Korea and Japan, being democracies, belong with "western" democracies more than China. China knows this, and they try to play on feelings about race and geopraphy

Kiiiiinda hard for South Korea to hear that with a straight face, considering China sided with NK pretty significantly in the Korean War and considers NK an ally (or at least definitely within their sphere of influence) to this day.

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

The Americans in charge will cope and seethe, but they'll understand.

[-] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago

lol yeah that too! Chinese provided the millions of troops to the North for the invasion didn't they. And are sustaining the North Korean regime economically to this day.

[-] reddwarf@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So China is accepting Japan into their midst and getting all buddy-buddy?
How very Nanking of them...
China will never ever consider Japan as an equal or viable partner. Breaking the bond between West and Japan? Sure, they are all about that but being buddies and accepted into China? Never ever happening.

[-] HomerAtTheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Starting to smell fear from China. Maybe they are starting to realize they aren’t as great as they thought

[-] modkhi@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, East Asia will ally with Beijing when Beijing actually decides to see the rest of East Asia as equals and not just former tributary nations. (Believe me, I'm Chinese, this is unfortunately all too common a superiority complex that Chinese people have.)

It's not that they want to be Westerners, it's that they don't want to be bullied by the regional superpower, and the other world superpower supports them in resisting Beijing.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Very unconstructive to pose the world as westerners and not westerners.

Talk of joining "westerners" and everyone instead and not this polarization

Russia should be proof enough that humanity doesn't need rogue states

[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

The West is so fucked. No more Petro Dollar, not enough time for a working CDBC (I think?), its civilization has been forcefully separated into small individualized groups that are no longer capable of speaking to each other or feeling compassion for each other, capitalist vultures just waiting to profit off of the collapse, politicians are paid, putting on a show, geriatric millionaires are reliving 80s straight to TV political thrillers on cheap stages. Europe is too dependant on the US, the Ukraine war is a meat grinder proxy war. Protests are erupting in France, Switzerland, Belgium and I suspect that's not the last we're going to see of mass protests and police brutality in Europe. Meanwhile Western governments are headed to become more authoritarian to stay in power unless Europe turns away from transatlantic submission to face the reality of a multipolar order. I worry there will be lots of conflict from this because certain people want to stay in power. (Not a dog whistle in any specific direction.)

BRICS is happening. Africa is rising up to flight Western economic colonialism by demanding fair treatment. The current global economic system leads to rising nationalism, people no longer raising kids, social systems failing, slave labor in poor countries, religious radicalism and unnecessary culture clashes (fixable, if anyone in charge actually gave a fuck about proper integration with dignity).

[-] lemmein@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

You're free to keep bathing yourself in ignorance. Hope it's comfy.

[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I should add that I'm in no way underestimating authoritarian imperialist ambitions of Russia/China as another source for danger to freedom.

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