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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 hours ago

I disagree.

  1. You already have a government space agency. Maybe give them more funding so they don't have to rely on space-x to get their stuff into orbit?

  2. There's a national telecom network already in place. It at least has the potential to be faster and more reliable, if it isn't already... At least compared to low earth orbit satellite coverage.

There's no good reason to continue providing Elon or his companies with any government handouts. Pull that funding and give it to.... I dunno, students who have more debt than homeowners with a mortgage..... NASA.... Literally anything that helps people?

[–] TheBannedLemming@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am not saying that I don't agree with you. But this country is still not even close to considering nationalizing its own telecommunication infrastructure. Much less a privately held space company and a service of communication satellites. A large chunk of America believes that a for-profit business model for every good and service possible in life is the best course of action.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes it's the right long term goal, but the US is nowhere near ready for strong nationalised enterprises, they would just stop getting funding and die. There is a requirement for strong, positive minded government and a shared understanding of the benefits of having nationalised societal services before it can work.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

A lot of people are calling this a bailout for Elon, but in reality it would be a seizure. Elon doesn't want to let go of Starlink and the US likely wouldn't pay him what it's worth to take it over.

What people seem to be missing is the precedent this would set. It's all well and good when we empower the office of the president to seize a private company we don't like, but after we give them that power what's to stop them from seizing other businesses?

XYZ company refuses to get rid of their DEI policy because the shareholders voted to keep it? Well now the orange man can seize it.

Let's not forget that previously it took 2/3rd majority to confirm presidential appointments, but the Senate under Obama decided to change that rule to 50% to get past Republican objections. The result of this is all these shit appointments Trump has passed with 51% of the Senate, none of them would have gotten by if the Democrats hadn't made a precedent for changing the rules.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 4 hours ago

What people seem to be missing is the precedent this would set. It’s all well and good when we empower the office of the president to seize a private company we don’t like, but after we give them that power what’s to stop them from seizing other businesses?

XYZ company refuses to get rid of their DEI policy because the shareholders voted to keep it? Well now the orange man can seize it.

The problem they don't see is that once a precedent is set, also the other party can do it. What you point out is valid also like "XYZ company refuses to establish a DEI policy because the shareholders voted agains ? Well not the democratic president can seize it".

Let’s not forget that previously it took 2/3rd majority to confirm presidential appointments, but the Senate under Obama decided to change that rule to 50% to get past Republican objections. The result of this is all these shit appointments Trump has passed with 51% of the Senate, none of them would have gotten by if the Democrats hadn’t made a precedent for changing the rules.

Tipical case of not looking beyond one's nose

[–] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Starlink should be globalized. A planet only needs one low-altitude orbiting communications network. Better to standardize the technology and platform and let them contribute to one system than to have a dozen identical competing systems crashing into each other and fucking things up for everyone.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

There is no such thing as something being "globalized" The UN for instance is a debating club where the majority of the seats represent individual dictators who dominate but do not speak for their countries citizens.

The idea of 50 countries collectively providing 0% of the funds should determine the mission is somewhat laughable. Also no country on earth has a process by which foreign dictators can seize or direct a company run out of their nation.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 14 hours ago

No, we should regain control of our nation from fascists (this does not mean just replace the President), then nationalize SpaceX and Starlink, and make telecoms public utilities.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You have NASA FFS. Just fund it.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

NASA is too beholden to politics... You can't do 7 year builds and missions when the Senate flips every 4 years and has to kill everything the other side did on principle that it has a D or R attached to it. Everything is political.

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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 6 points 15 hours ago

There's already NASA which gets piss poor funding iirc

[–] why0y@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

No I would not like taxpayer dollars to buy out Elons shit shows.

Hard pass. Thanks no thanks jacobin

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago

Throw Musk in prison for his many documented crimes, but don't support this kind of dictator shit.

[–] Angular2575@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 4 hours ago

Then make it work.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Best time would've been when he pulled that stunt in Ukraine, second best time is now

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Now when a Putin simp is leading the country?

[–] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't give bail-outs to billionaires.

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