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NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer::Requires a criminal history background check for the purchase of a three-dimensional printer capable of creating firearms; prohibits sale to a person who would be disqualified on the basis of criminal history from being granted a license to possess a firearm.

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[-] db2@sopuli.xyz 192 points 1 year ago

A tube capable of firing a projectile isn't hard to make though. Maybe they should require a criminal history background check to go to the hardware store too.

[-] Jamie@jamie.moe 46 points 1 year ago

Sir, do you have a license for that power drill?

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 132 points 1 year ago

That's incredibly stupid. Good Lord.

What's next? CNC machines? Silicone/resin casting supplies? Steel pipes?

[-] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 34 points 1 year ago
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[-] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is this what the democrats think is important legislation right now?

You can make a firearm in a shitty garage shop way cheaper than the both monetary investment and time investment that comes with using a 3D printer.

People in fuckinh prisons make improvised firearms

This is a waste of time.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 25 points 1 year ago

It's not about making firearms. It's about being able to make literally anything else, the ability to do so being something that would liberate individuals, to some extent, from the capitalist system. That's what they really don't want.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Uh, I'm pretty sure this is about firearms.

[-] docmark@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yes and voter literacy tests were about making sure people were smart enough to vote. /s

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago

Are these lawmakers aware of the fact you can 3d print a 3d printer? Or at least, about 80% of its parts, and the remaining parts are indistinguishable from the random stuff youd buy at the hardware store? (Aluminum extrusion mostly, some gears, etc)

The only part they could theoretically hope to control worth a damn would be the printing nozzles, which are so incredibly cheap to buy bulk and nearly impossible to specialize.

Also you could take this to court and point out that you would need to also include CNC machines, Laser Cutters, lathes, and any of the other variations of tools that can be used to manufacture a DIY gun.

This isnt a problem specific to 3d printers, a CNC mill that can cut aluminum is also just as capable of producing the jigs needed to manufacture gun parts.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 71 points 1 year ago

I'd argue a cnc mill makes a hell of a better gun than a 3d printer

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[-] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You can make a fireable shotgun out of like 15$ of pipe fittings

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[-] spark947@lemm.ee 72 points 1 year ago

Silly. Why can't we just regulated the sale of ammunition and gunpowder?

[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 year ago

Why? It’s not guns and bullets killing people, it’s 3D printing 🙃

[-] GeekyNerdyNerd@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

We do actually. Just last year new york passed the Concealed Carry Improvement act imposing a background check on ammunition purchases. This bill is completely redundant and unnecessary.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Redundant, you say?

How else are corporations going to limit things like "right to repair" and sales, when people can print their own replacement parts or print stuff they would otherwise have to buy?

Think of the profits! /s

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[-] vector_zero@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

You can easily create a firearm with a short length of steel pipe and a nail. I don't know how this will do anything. Plus people can just drive to another state.

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

It will be effective in 3d printers gaining attention for having the ability to print firearms

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[-] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 50 points 1 year ago

The logic of this is nonexistent. An argument could be made very convincingly that cars are dangerous to allow in the hands of criminals. 2 tons of metal, well known for and capable of ending a life, with the ability to aid criminal enterprises and avoidance of law enforcement. So should car sales now require a criminal background check? All this would do is further disenfranchise convicted felons, regardless of the actual crime committed, and create new difficulties for a group that includes a very high percentage of people already proven to give no shits about the law who will find and exploit ways to continue activities despite any laws attempting to restrict them.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Can anyone name one crime that has been committed with a 3d printed gun from the last 3 years that hasn't been committed 100x more often in the last week with a stolen or illegally obtained gun.

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[-] pup_atlas@pawb.social 47 points 1 year ago

Oh, did we start requiring criminal background checks for pipes and metal stock too? This is the same problem we’re facing in the rest of the country, everything can be used as a weapon, and requiring background checks on all of them is gonna do nothing to stop gun crime. Regulate the damn guns, that is the only thing that will help.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

US: We have a gun problem.

Also, US: We’ve tried everything but regulate guns and we’re all out of ideas!

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[-] skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 1 year ago

I'm a leftist, I don't support laws like this cause they don't actually do anything. Dems fr have been supporting initivies to fork over more and more data.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Here's a fun fact, hobby machinists have been making guns in their garages for as long as machining has been a career.

You can, right now, buy a drill press for a few hundred bucks and finish 80% lowers in an apartment if you want. If you have a lot of money to spend you could buy a mini mill and make the job a lot easier.

These are completely unregulated and arguably much more dangerous.

Have fun with that knowledge.

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[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

This is just a way to restrict individual freedom from corporate ownership. It's the equivalent of "for the children". If you're against guns don't fall for this bait, support some other legislation.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago

What brain dead legislation.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 35 points 1 year ago

It's ok, you can still buy them privately at a 3D printer show.

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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

How in the hell are they gonna enforce this? Is every kid who baight a 3d printer of ebay now committing a crime?

[-] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Lol more regulation for 3d printers than guns themselves

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

Wow, this makes my country's nonsense gun laws look sane.

They do know that even children from 70 years ago where making firearms right? https://newyorkcitygangs.com/?page_id=1708

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[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Stupid, authoritarian, and dystopian.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

This is just "New Media is scary and I'm old!" Fear Mongering

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

You can always 3d print a 3d printer

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[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

So what will the state of NY do if I buy an Ender-3 in Vermont and then bring it home?

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[-] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, we have this little thing called a Constitution, might just get in the way

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

You have a constitutional right to bear 3-D printers?

[-] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Yes, and don't you forget that

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[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Counter offer: a bill that will limit the purchase of 3D printers to people with a criminal history.

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