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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 4 points 39 minutes ago

Every number system is base 10.

Binary is base 1+1.
Ternary is base 2+1.
Octal is base 7+1.
Decimal is base 9+1.
Duodecimal is base B+1.
Hexadecimal is base F+1.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Every base is base 10.

What about base 0? Checkmate, mathists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_numeral_system

[–] YellowTraveller@lemm.ee 1 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 10 minutes ago

it would be 'what's a base?'

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

If the human was smart he would say that we use base 22. Then everyone would understand.

[–] SuperApples@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In Chinese/Japanese, there's 四 rocks in both base 10, and base 4. (8 rocks would be 二四 in base 4).

I think the concept of "base" is easier to understand when you include a numeral for the highest base (10 = 十, 20 =二十).

Of course, arabic numerals are more concise, using position to imply meaning (21 = 二十一).

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

8 rocks would be 二四 in base 4

ok but what about 16? there's symbols for powers of 10 but not for powers of 4

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 113 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I think when I first saw this comic, the punchline was "what's a four?" which I find funnier.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 hours ago

Having seen this for the first time, that was my first thought for an improved punchline.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Yes this is the better version that I've seen too

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago (7 children)
[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 90 points 14 hours ago

When you count up the 1's place, you go 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and then it rolls over into the 10s place.

But in "base 4", it goes: 0,1,2,3,10,11,12,13,20. 3 is the highest value possible in any of the digits place.

Therefore "10" in base 4 = 4 in base 10, but saying it in base 4 is written as 10.

You can change your base to any base and whatever base it is would have to be written as base 10 because the number above the highest one in that base doesnt exist, it's 10.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 36 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Lots of good explanations here, but one thing I'd like to clarify. WHY we add digits together to represent larger numbers. Understanding this helped me to count in binary when I was a young IT technician.

In base 10, we have 10 numbers we use to count everything, each represented by a single digit 0-9. There is no single digit to represent the number 10, so we add a digit to the left and start over at 0 on the right. Hence, the number 10. Then 11-19 in serial.

But we've run out of digits to use again. So we add another digit to the left and start over on the right. Thus, 20.

When you get to 100, you're now starting over at the right-most digit and have to fill up both right digits before the left digit moves up one.

Same goes for binary, where the only two digits are 0 and 1. Once you've counted to one, you've run out of digits to use, so you add a 1 to the left and start over on the right. So 2 is written as 10 in binary. Then 3 is 11. Then you've run out of digits again, so you add another one to the far left and start over. 4 is 100. 5 is 101. 6 is 110. 7 is 111. No more space, so add another 1 to the left and start over. 8 is 1000. 9 is 1001. 10 is 1010. 11 is 1011. 12 is 1100. And so on...

With computers, we sometimes use a hexadecimal numbering system, also known as base 16 (hex = 6, deca = 10). In this case, we need 16 unique digits before we start reusing them. So we borrow from the alphabet. We use 0-9, then go through A-F before we add a 1 to the left and start over at 0.

You can literally create a base-anything and use that to count numbers. Once you figure out how we add digits to count, it's super easy!

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

My favorite reference for what youve just described is 3blue1browns Binary, Hanoi, and sierpinski which is both fascinating and super acessable for the average non-nerd.

The pressing point is that this method of counting isn't just a good way of doing it, but basically the most efficient way that it can be done. There are no simpler or more efficient ways of counting.

This allows the same 'steps' to show up in other unexpected areas that ask questions about the most efficient process to do a thing. This allows you to map the same binary counting pattern across both infinite paths of fractal geometry with sierpinskis arrowhead curve and solve logic problems like towers of Hanoi stacking. Its wild to think that on some abstract level these are all more or less equal processes.

[–] elaiden@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Really good explanation. Always thought I had a general grasp of both binary and hexadecimal, but never really bothered to truly understand. Now I do from 1 minute of reading a comment. Thanks!

[–] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 8 points 10 hours ago

Good ELI5 of the concept

[–] weird@sub.wetshaving.social 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Every base has a 10. Base 4 numbering goes 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 20 etc...

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

One, two... FIVE

[–] weird@sub.wetshaving.social 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

My bad, but I guess I won't have bad luck

[–] kittehx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 14 hours ago

that's 7 in base 10, so actually it's good luck you're not having

(assuming luck goes by numerical value and not written representation)

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The number to describe a base is always the number 10 in that base

For example binary is base 2, it has only 1 and 0 as digits, and 2 in binary is 10.

Similarly for 4, and base 10.

So no matter what your numbering system is, with that system it is always base “10”

[–] Ava@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

"Base" is the number of distinct integers you have in play. In Base 10, there are ten of them. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. You can think of the numeric representation 10 as "1 ten, and 0 ones."

In Base 2 (binary) the only two digits available are 0 and 1. The first four binary numbers are 0, 1, 10, 11, which represent zero, one, two, and three. In Base 2, "10" means "1 two, and 0 ones." But, "Base 2" can't be written in binary, there's no concept of 2! Indeed, the way we reflect two in binary is 10. Which means, when we're talking in binary, "Base 2" is written as "Base 10."

This holds true for EVERY base. In Base 4, we have the digits 0, 1, 2, and 3. So if we want a value of four, we need to write it as 10. "1 four, 0 ones". So, when we're talking in Base 4, the way to say "Base 4" is ALSO by saying "Base 10"!

The trick behind it is that numbers written don't have context-free meaning. You can't communicate what "10" means without knowing how many distinct digits your conversational partner is working with. Most people have centralized on base 10, but there's no inherent advantage to doing things that way. Indeed, it's kind of awkward in lots of ways. Consider Base 12 (the digits of which are most often 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, as an aside). In Base 12, you can easily divide your base numbers by 1, 2, 3, 4. That's SUPER handy, since we obviously break things up into groups of 3 and 4 pretty often in our daily lives, but that's pretty painful in Base 10 because you immediately run into the need for fractions.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

Base 10 means when you count it goes: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Base 4 means when you count it goes: 1 2 3 10. 10 would still be equivalent to 4, 11 would be 5, 12 would be 6, and 20 would be 8.

To an alien that counted in base 4, base 4 would be base 10, because 4 is where they start adding 0s to numbers and they don’t have a concept of what 4 is. Probably not really if they were a mathematician alien, but it made me laugh.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 4 points 14 hours ago

If you count in base 10 (from 0 to 19):

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

Base 4 (from 0 to 7):

0 1 2 3

10 11 12 13

Base 16 (from 0 to 31):

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f

[–] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 13 points 14 hours ago

When I was bored in math class I used to convert my homework into binary to see if it still worked.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

are belong to us

[–] dnick@sh.itjust.works 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Ah, you ssh into a Unix like system and use $(( )) or maybe bc?