vegantheoryclub? lol, who goes to that instance?
this post was submitted on 18 May 2025
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Are the Haredi the ones who believe that Israel cannot exist before the Messiah comes?
Yes, nothing this person is saying is crazy if you understand the context of their sect's belief.
Enemy of my enemy can still be enemy.
Shouldn’t call them “heroes”…
Literally. Hamas has done basically nothing to help the people. The people of Gaza are the heroes Hamas and Israel are just a couple of monsters victimizing them.
Hamas is the perfect partner for Israeli genocidaires. That's why Israel funded them in the first place.
If Fatah was still in power, Israel would’ve had a much more difficult time in demonizing Gaza in their propaganda outlets.
They also wouldn't need to, because the West wouldn't give a shit about Gaza without Hamas activities to put Palestine in the news. There's a reason Hamas won that election in 2006.
They also wouldn’t need to, because the West wouldn’t give a shit about Gaza without Hamas activities to put Palestine in the news.
... Gaza was a big fucking deal back when Fatah was in power, and it was when Fatah was at the head of things that the peace process came closest to becoming reality, with significant Western interest and support.
Israel giving them money?
I'm pretty sure that was after 2006. Leading up to the 2006 elections Hamas highlighted the success of violent resistance in ejecting Israel from Gaza compared to the abject failure of peaceful resistance by Fatah. My point here is that despite their many flaws, they actually get things done, and their getting things done is a large part of why the Palestinian cause has gotten as far as it has.
I’m pretty sure that was after 2006.
Hamas has been receiving Israeli support since the late 80s when it was founded.
My point here is that despite their many flaws, they actually get things done,
What? Speeding up the genocide by being the Israeli right's perfect foil in this grotesque kayfabe?
and their getting things done is a large part of why the Palestinian cause has gotten as far as it has.
... Gaza is on the verge of total genocide, and the West Bank is looking to be next. Is that progress for the Palestinian cause?
Hamas has been receiving Israeli support since the late 80s when it was founded.
I just checked and yeah that's true fair enough.
What? Speeding up the genocide by being the Israeli right's perfect foil in this grotesque kayfabe?
Any effective (or not so effective) act of resistance was going to be met with massive Israeli reprisal, so the only way to not be a foil for the Israeli right is to literally do nothing. See: Fatah.
Is that progress for the Palestinian cause?
If somehow Gaza survives this it'll be very much a hotly debated "at what cost" kind of deal, because October 7th did start the countdown for the end of Israel's current existence, but at present no, because of course there need to be Palestinians before there's a Palestinian cause. That said that's not my point; I was responding to the idea that Hamas has been just a parasite passively profiting off Palestinians' suffering when in real life they've been an active contributer to the Palestinian cause while also profiting off Palestinians' suffering. Whether you like their contribution or not (prior to October 7th anyway) is one thing, but they are and were an active resistance organization without which prospects for peace in Palestine would be completely different. I mean there probably wouldn't be a genocide either, but again that's beside the point.
Literally. Hamas has done basically nothing to help the people.
Not directly, but it's no coincidence that the Palestine solidarity movement only expands after Israel uses Hamas as an excuse to slaughter Gazans. Since at least 2006 Hamas has been a very important catalyst for the advancement of the Palestinian cause (which isn't mutually exclusive with them being massive pricks, that's also true).
That's like a Make-a-Wish kid thanking cancer for making them famous Etc. I think most Make-a-Wish kids would just wish that they didn't have cancer. Hamas has literally done nothing for the Palestinians since they managed to gain power. Just make things worse while working in cahoots with Israel.
Do you think the average westerner is aware of what is happening in the West Bank?
Do you think the average westerner would be aware of what is happening in Gaza if Hamas wasn't retaliating against Isreal?
I don't condone what Hamas is doing, but I'm not going to be so naive to believe the western world would give a shit about Palestine if not for Hamas putting a spotlight on Gaza. We probably wouldn't even be having this discussion without Hamas, we (in the collective sense) would be letting Isreal annex Palestinian lands with minimal criticism.
Most don't know even with what Hamas is doing. Which is mostly hurting the people they're supposed to represent. Most Palestinians dislike Hamas as much as anyone else. They just can't do anything about it.
It's always that guy
I pay extra attention to him because his instance is the only active vegan one.
ngl probably russians, spewing hate online to further conflictand
Not everyone is a russian troll, bad people exist everywhere.
And especially considering it's VTC, if I have to ascribe a group to them without proof, it's the Zizians.
unlikely considering how small lemmy is. Waste of resources.
To be fair genocide is vegan
Most famous vegetarian, Adolf Hitler commited genocide. Therefore genocide is vegan {QED} checkmate libtards op did nothing wrong
Tbf, it actually could be considered vegan (by some batshit zizian standard) because "humans aren't animals like that so they don't count and also they harm animals by virtue of being alive (pay no attention to predation in the animal kingdom please!)" And I wouldn't be shocked to hear it.
To clarify, I'm saying this is crazy bullshit, but also that I wouldn't be surprised if a small contingency of the craziest vegans actually believed this crazy bullshit.
Yeah like if humans are counted as animals in the vegan definition then literally every product ever made isn't vegan.
Could’ve left that part out…
Fucking scum.