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In password security, the longer the better. With a password manager, using more than 24 characters is simple. Unless, of course, the secure password is not accepted due to its length. (In this case, through STOVE.)

Possibly indicating cleartext storage of a limited field (which is an absolute no-go), or suboptimal or lacking security practices.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Your password MUST contain big and small letters, and contain at least 1 number character and 1 spacial character, it MUST be 8 characters long, and it MUST be typed on a German Cherry keyboard between 8-9 PM, using ONLY 1 finger while blindfolded and listening to ABBA music. BUT NO SPACES ALLOWED!!!
This is because of something called entropy we never even read about so we have zero understanding of it. Of course combined with lousy programming, so safety is all on you.

Making all these possibilities OPTIONAL would actually make for safer passwords (higher entropy), as would using multiple words separated by spaces. The only meaningful way to accept a password would be to test it against common bad passwords, and test the entropy to determine acceptable levels. There is no good reason a password couldn't be 10 words and at least 127 characters. There is no way that should stress a properly designed modern system.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have described all of the guidelines that NIST, Microsoft, GCHQ and a few other institutions now recommend for password security.

And yet I still have to have this argument with so-called security engineers and my favourite, compliance officers.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Don’t worry, pretty soon they will just block password managers from autofilling fields on their login page so that you HAVE to remember your password! Then you’ll be happy it can’t be that long, you can only fit so much on a post-it note on the side of your monitor

/s

EDIT: I think there should be a law against blocking password managers for filling in fields. Any brute force bots are going to submit HTTP requests directly anyway; no one is hitting the DOM to do that

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've had a case in the past where I reduced my password to the limit, but after account creation, I was not able to log in.

Turns out they had an off-by-one issue, and a password with a length slightly below the limit worked fine.

[–] valkyre09@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I once got locked out of an HP printer because it chopped off the last few characters of a password. Only figured it out because somebody had made a comment online about password length

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[–] lennee@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

funniest experience that ive had is that i made a psn (playstation network) account with a 64 (iirc, might have been 32, dont remember) character password. That worked making the account on my PC on their website. Never was able to log into that account on my playstation tho and the error message was just some generic error. Support didnt know what was going on and i didnt either until it dawned on me. The password was too long for the console. Changed the whole thing to a shorter one and now it works everywhere. Used to work on their website, not in the app, not on console. Fun.

[–] KiESi@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One time I worked a job where you had to make EXACTLY a 12 character password using only ten letters and two numbers.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's insane.

But you could decide on the positions of letters and numbers? While it had to be exactly 10 and two?

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Recently had a password that was acceptable for the account creation page on the website but too long for the login screen in the mobile app.

Took me a while to figure out that pasting into that field was just quietly dropping characters.

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

Happens more and more often

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