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Soooo the word is spreading that !europe@feddit.org might be biased against palestine supporters.

It all started with:

https://endlesstalk.org/post/88380004

Highlights:

Isn’t feddit.org German based? Seems that they’re following with the German government’s policy of defending Israel at all cost.

They’re following with the German government’s policy of defending Israel fascism at all cost.

Followed by some other accusations:

https://endlesstalk.org/post/88461061

Apparently Deceptichum@quokk.au have been banned without even interacting with this instance at all.

https://endlesstalk.org/post/88623301

The admin answered here:

https://endlesstalk.org/post/88601627?scrollToComments=true

It's being discussed here as well.

https://endlesstalk.org/post/88622809

Also feddit.org was down for a few minutes. They apparently have been ddos'ed? There are also some mention of a troll named "antiyank". That guy sounds like a loser. Anybody know about him?

Anyway stimulating drama isn't it?

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[–] Fitik@fedia.io 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting to hear from a two-day old account...

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

After looking into this, this account seems to be connected with other alts, doesn't it go against the rule of being observer and not a participant? @sexy_peach@feddit.org

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago

Well spotted

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago

Points for the creative title...

However this unidentified new account acting as a rumour mill is suspicious. I don't doubt feddit is removing posts liberally that could get investigated under German law whether those posts may or may not be breaking it, if the first half of the post was the drama I'd be okay with it. However, trying to tie a bunch of other speculation to the drama makes this post weird imo.

[–] DropThePot@lemy.lol 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Any new loser on the scene is a UniversalMonk sock puppet /s

Ok, only half kidding, it's my head canon

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

We are all UniversalMonk on this blessed day.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Mastodon.social is also bound by German law, and ¼ of their trending timeline is people dunking on Israel in ways that are classified as anti-Semitism under the IHRA definition (i.e. calling it racist/an apartheid state). They don’t seem to be in any hurry to change this.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

And you can call Israel a racist apartheid state on feddit.org. It's explicitly called an apartheid state in the sidebar of !nahost@feddit.org for example...

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Either a pair of brass or the law does not apply as feddit.org shills.

Note that they even conceded that original comment might not violate the law but they support mod censorship anyway!

we fully support the moderators of europe@feddit.org icon Europe to potentially remove too much rather than too little in case of legal uncertainties.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Does Germany not have something like section 230 in the US?

It seems very obvious to me that the German law is being broken by the person that comments, not the hosting service that allows people to comment. This is more like the MAGA-type regime where they want to force social media companies to police other people’s speech for them. But, of course, just because that’s what makes sense to me does not mean that’s how it plays out legally.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don't have enough knowledge to comment on how german law regulates online speech

I am aware that most countries don't have as much "free" speech protections as US.

With that being said, the cases where people for prosecuted for anti semetism that i reviewed were in fact spouting nasty shite outload under their own names. It was pretty clearly hate speech.

I wonder if somebody can produce an example of something milder where a Germany prosecuted for it.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/germany-online-hate-speech-prosecution-60-minutes/

You can be prosecuted for incredibly silly things in Germany. Someone called a politician a dick online and got raided for it. To me it sounds like an incredibly stupid law.

They say “social media companies” (which includes feddit.org? Maybe?) can be prosecuted if they don’t crack down on “hate speech,” although in practice they have been doing it almost entirely to the actual users. They have gone after Twitter. It’s not obvious to me that feddit.org could get prosecuted in reality, but it’s not obvious to me that they could not, and it’s not my balls in the vice at the end of the day.

On the other hand, we are quickly reaching a point in the world where it’s either fight for justice, or we’re all going to work in the mines and face firing squads if we disagree. Germany of all places should have some familiarity with the concept “fuck what is lawful, this is wrong, I want to be on the right side of history even if I might get sent to the principal’s office.” No consequence the feddit admins would be facing would be life-changing in any reality, and there are a lot of other people whose consequences definitely are.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 9 hours ago

I called it drama in another thread but tbh this aint drama, this is the fedi community hashing out some core issues re censorship, more specifically "modding" being used as censorship.

At the end of the day, server owner can do as they please, but if that's the approach they want to take, then shitposters can also vote with their feet.

This aint reddit where unfavourable opinion can be suppressed, banned and expunged.

Example: see go search luigi discussion on reddit, and note how only a curated discussion got left lol with most critical shit no where to be found. people who followed as it happened will know what's up. just gone. nada

Anyway, we went through this exercise with lemmy.world and luigi, however, there server operator let regime whores on politics and news subs do their thing but today the largest luigi is sub is on lemmy.world.

So we know we had some power tripping mods on lemmy.world operating big news and politics subs. Server admins, take hands off approach.

Feddit.org has gotten mods and server owners going balls deep on pro Palestinian censorship because Israel is more important "under german law"

So this situation is even more egregious IMHO

Why comment on such server? Let them have their zionist circle jerk. Seed communities that permit healthy discourse.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

They're just following orders!