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Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation (www.theguardian.com)

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Hamas has called on Palestinians to stay in their homes after Israel issued sweeping evacuation orders for almost half of Gaza’s more than 2.3 million people ahead of an expected ground offensive.

The Hamas authority for refugee affairs today told residents in the north of the territory to “remain steadfast in your homes and to stand firm in the face of this disgusting psychological war waged by the occupation”.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 206 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Translation: "If all the civilians leave, we won't be able to use them as human shields anymore."

Edit: It's also true that Israel has made it extraordinarily difficult to leave. They are not the good guys, here. But there are no good guys here except for the civilians, and we know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is perfectly willing to use them as human shields.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago

There's nowhere for them to go...

Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, and Israel just told them to fit in half as much space at a time when they have no fuel, water, or electricity.

It's fucking impossible. And if they actually move, the Palestinians are smart enough to know they will never be able to access that land again.

Hell, Hamas is the only ones with the resources to move

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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, but that's only the convenient half for the pro-Israeli media.

The inconvenient other half is that they have blocked EVERY possible exit from Gaza, including telling the Egyptians to not allow anyone out.

So, no food, fuel, electricity, medicine, water, or shelters. One of the MOST densely populated regions in the whole world, and they were just expected to what? Walk down the strip to sit in the 'safe' bombed out rubble?

Would they be allowed a "right of return" afterwards?

No good options for those residents. So you can use this to rightfully condem Hamas because it suits their political objectives, but that doesn't change the fact about the rest of what I've laid out.

So what would you do? Stay in your home and risk death? Or become homeless and only have a marginally less chance of death?

[-] gashead76@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

That’s exactly what I keep thinking about, to hell with what the controlling forces say, the two options in front of those residents aren’t really options. I can’t wrap my head around what that must be like.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Question: is it actually true that Israel doesn't want Palestinians to leave via the southern border to Egypt? I've heard on the news twice (BBC Hardtalk and somewhere else I can't recall now) that the opposite is true. From what I've heard, Israel wants the Palestinians to leave, but Egypt does not want to allow them into their country because it would be a huge burden to feed, house, and police a million+ angry refugees.

It also makes more sense from Israel's point of view to get the Palestinians out of Gaza. Israel's greatest danger is, and always has been, the opprobrium of the international community if they kill too many civilians. It would be a huge victory for Israel if the civilians all leave, which is why Hamas wants them to stay!

[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

That's correct. Egypt does not want to take the Palestinians.

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[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

The inconvenient other half is that they have blocked EVERY possible exit from Gaza, including telling the Egyptians to not allow anyone out.

Er... that's not true. They were initially telling Palestinians to go to Egypt. Egypt does not want them in the Sinai and told Israel to provide safe passage through Israel.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-bomb-rafah-crossing-to-egypt-after-telling-gazans-to-flee-through-it/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rafah-border-gaza-egypt-israel-1.6994234

Yes, it's true that Egypt does not want to allow a mass exodus of refugees.

It's also true that Israel has been bombing that area as well.

So not sure what your point is.

[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

It seems like the airstrikes damaging the crossing is a more recent development that I wasn't aware of. Your CBC article and the CNN article posted above are only an hour old. Your Times of Israel article says this:

The Rafah crossing was open for periods Tuesday morning, but Egypt only allowed through Palestinians who’d already gotten authorization to leave the Strip.

On the Rafah crossing’s Facebook page, Gazans lamented the decision to not open the crossing for anyone wishing to leave, with one user writing: “Interior Ministry, this is not the time to put someone in danger who survived a bombing and miraculously reached the crossing. We cannot return to death.”

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[-] vind@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

In this case staying put will likely save more lives than trying to move 40k people per hour within 24 hours.

[-] homoludens@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not even Hamas themselves are saying they were doing it in order to prevent loss of lives during the evacuation.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Israeli translation: if you don't get the fuck out so we can capture and resettle half your city we are more than happy, to commit mass murder instead.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

to commit mass murder instead.

Mass murder like attacking a festival and killing 260+ people?

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

Gaza is more densely populated than LA and they have no electricity, water, or fuel.

The only exit is thru Egypt, and Israel keeps blowing it up.

Even if the message got to everyone, there's no way people could do what Israel told them.

Israel knows this. They weren't trying to "help" by announcing they're going to flatten half of Gaza, they want to cause panic and riots.

[-] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this specific case isreal asked residents of Gaza city, a subpart of the Gaza strip to move to a more southern position in the Gaza strip. Like asking people to move from Manhattan to Brooklyn because they are going to blow up Manhattan. People are capable of moving within the Gaza strip. That doesn't mean there will be housing for them however.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

That doesn’t mean there will be housing for them however.

Or food... Or water...

Or shelter for a few days from now when Israel starts bombing the southern half.

All this is doing is motivating residents of Gaza to pick up arms against Israel.

Which a cynic would say is exactly what Israel wants

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

Like asking people to move from Manhattan to Brooklyn because they are going to blow up Manhattan

Even if this analogy was representative, this would ALSO be a complete mess to try and do and that's in a city with working roads, fuel, transportation options, easy access to telecoms/information, and support personnel. Even with all that, it would not be possible to do in 24 hours.

I don't think the analogy helped

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[-] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Some things to consider:

Check out some maps of Israel-Palestine over time and tell me whether fleeing Palestinians will ever get their homes back
Gaza has no bomb shelters. The best they have are their own homes, and hospitals -- which are already overrun with local populations, let alone migrant populations, and are being targeted by Israeli air strikes
Israel is using white phosphorous against a territory which, if considered a country on its own, would be the third-most densely populated in the world
Supplies of food, water, electricity, and fuel have been cut off, so people who leave their local support systems have no chance of acquiring vital supplies
There is no exit. Sea has a permanent blockade. The only airport has been a crater since 2001. There are two ground crossings (Israel and Egypt), and the Egyptian one has been repeatedly closed due to Israeli missile strikes -- after Israel advised civilians to go there.
Israel is already targeting evacuating convoys
Earlier this year, displacement from the war in Sudan was repeatedly called a "crisis" by relief orgs when it reached a displacement of 1 million people in a country of 45 million, one month after fighting began. We're talking about 1 million in a territory of 2.3 million, in 24 hours

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 24 points 1 year ago

Check out some maps of Israel-Palestine over time and tell me whether fleeing Palestinians will ever get their homes back

Did you notice how the Gazan border in 1967 was the SE as it was in 2005? What did the map look like in 1990? Is the reason you didn't include that map is that it would have shown a return of land in the Gaza strip done so without a war by Israel to demonstrate that peace based on the 1967 borders could function. I also noticed your maps ignored the Sinai, another example of where Israel has shown a willingness to give up land for peace.

If there was a realistic shot that return land won in warfare would lead to lasting peace, Israel would do so.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know we're all fighting but I think this guy has a point.

I'm pretty sure Israel and Palestine were closer to peace in 94 than they ever have been but then Zionists assassinated Rabin.

~~After that~~ Actually kinda the whole time the US and UK refused to work with Hamas and in 97 they declared Hamas a terrorist organization.

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[-] geekzapoppin@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Boy, the AI was drinking when it made that summary.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was reading through it carefully for the issues till I got to the bit where it was explaining unrelated headlines. After that it started to spit out... whatever this was:

The draw on Wednesday night ended a long stretch without a winner of the top prize and brought news media to Midway Market and Liquor in Frazier Park, a community of 2,600 residents about 75 miles north of Los Angeles.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I saw the worst summary I've ever seen on a post about a Firefox bug getting fixed recently after 22 years. The summary was like "the day after Firefox launched, this big got fixed!" And it had 10 upvotes

[-] blazera@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Who the hell is still defending Israel after this declaration to eradicate Palestinians in Gaza?

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