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The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.

“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”

She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.

“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”

Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.

“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”

She said the agents didn’t care.

“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”

Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”

“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”

Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.

“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”

Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.

“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.

Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 143 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don't like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 111 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Civil asset forfeiture... It's uh, it's not great.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 88 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I've never had a single person believe that it's real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can't possibly be true since it's so flagrantly unconstitutional.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's "constitutional" because they're accusing the "money" of being used illegally. There's no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you'll need to prove it's innocence in court.

It's ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there's still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/

Edit: typo

[–] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money'and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.

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[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (11 children)

We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.

Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob's wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don't need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.

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[–] aramova@infosec.pub 132 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.

I've said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard...

It's just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It's like the people who thought China paid the tariffs...

The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents...

218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.

Let's see, take New York for example.

26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.

5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.

People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.

Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.

Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.

District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.

Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.

So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.

And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.

Every fucking vote counts.

And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we'll keep getting the shit we deserve.

House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.

Democrats would need ~18 seats.

First, that won't happen in 2026.

Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.

Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.

How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we're living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers...

Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.

  • Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
    • Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
      • North Carolina (Budd-R)
      • Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
    • Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
      • Iowa (Ernst-R)
      • Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
      • Kentucky (McConnell-R's seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
      • Kansas (Marshall-R)
      • South Carolina (Graham-R)
    • Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
      • Texas (Cornyn-R)
      • Mississippi (Wicker-R)
      • Alabama (Tuberville-R)
      • West Virginia (Capito-R)
      • Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
      • Wyoming (Lummis-R)
      • Idaho (Risch-R)
      • Arkansas (Cotton-R)
      • Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
      • South Dakota (Rounds-R)
      • Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
  • Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
    • Highly Competitive Targets:
      • Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
      • Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
    • Stretch Targets:
      • Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
      • New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
    • Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
      • Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
      • Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
      • North Carolina (Tillis-R)
      • Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
      • Texas (Cruz-R)
      • Kentucky (Paul-R)
      • And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).

It's going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.

The amount that's being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities...

We're on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.

No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.

Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It is true, every vote counts, but not for the Democrats. They have approved Trumps household and supported him in other legislation already. Biden continued much of Trumps legacy of deportations, wall building and raiding innocent people. The laws around "civil forfeiture" have been expanded by Democrats on state level and upheld by Democrats on the federal level throughout the past 30ish years.

Unless the leadership and party elites of the past decades are purged from the party it will never be a vehicle of change, only of maintaining the decline at a slower rate than under the Republicans.

EDIT: Another example of the Democrats making sure that progressives that could challenge Trump are blocked as much as possible on their way. https://www.jezebel.com/75-year-old-democrat-who-beat-aoc-for-key-role-resigns-after-4-months

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[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We made a mistake. We won't offer your stuff back though

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Genocide abroad <---> Genocide at home

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks to the people that didn't vote or threw away their vote, we'll get both.

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[–] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 109 points 3 days ago (14 children)
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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 78 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I really hope someone hacks into the ICE database and send them kick down Trumpists doors.

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[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 92 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Curious how they felt they were entitled to seize their electronics and savings. AFAIK "search warrants" are typically isolated to specific people and property, not a free-for-all where they can just take anything they feel like taking. However, I saw it mentioned in a previous post about this that these agents aren't even getting search warrants but a "writ" and that agents are intentionally conflating the two in the media in order to provide a false sense of legitimacy to their illegal and unconstitutional actions.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 65 points 3 days ago

Welcome to the world of civil asset forfeiture. That family will have to prove that that money was not the proceeds of a crime to get it back. And yes, that is a reversal of the standard: the money is guilty until proven innocent.

The US justice system has been subverted long before Trump to enable absurd shit like this that are obviously in violation of the 4th amendment.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Any decent person who did not vote for this needs to absolutely gtfo of red states and assume they're a no-go zone from here on out. Of course the blue states won't be safe forever, but there is absolutely no reason to put yourself in danger by going to one of those Nazi shit holes.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The lack of DV resources/the fact that my ex basically created a cult and it’s really hard to navigate a divorce when you’ve been tortured and also still think that he must actually love you means that I am hopelessly shackled to this place. I’ve lived the cruelty of this state so long that I don’t feel like a human being anymore.

I just hope they don’t burn my paintings and books. I want them to stay together. I want my art and thoughts to be recognized because they’ve never been welcome here.

I felt it when Zach killed himself. I didn’t know him close but I did. I felt it even more when Nex was murdered, when it was covered up and everyone just passively accepted the narrative that Alex Jones and /pol/ had been sharing since they were killed because the Stitt appointee said so.

Oklahoma is sick. It’s been sick since it’s inception - the “boomers” that couldn’t even wait to steal their land. The “Little House on the Prairie” family did that even before the boomers. The murders of the Osage - that even today not all the murders are known as murders. It’s a bloodsick land.

[–] NeonNight@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Me and everyone I know has absolutely no means to just up and move to another state and find employment, a place to live that’s affordable, and the moving costs. We can’t afford to flee for safety

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