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TIL a Canadian town Tisdale used to have a motto "The land of rape and honey" which was changed to "Opportunity grows here" in 2016. (www.theguardian.com)
submitted 1 year ago by realitista@lemm.ee to c/til@lemmy.ca
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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As others mentioned it was rape as "rapeseed". Unfortunate homophone of another word referring to non-consensual sex.

Middle English borrowed the word "rape" (for the seed) straight from Latin, rapum, rapa. The Latin word actually refers to turnips, but they're relatives and their flowers look really similar:


Top is turnip (Latin rapa), bottom is rape. Latin inherited it from Proto-Indo-European *[s]rā́p- "wild cabbage, turnip"; it's a really weird word, that *ā shows it was borrowed into Late PIE from some pre-IE language.

Then the word referring to non-consensual sex was from Norman French "rap" instead. It's ultimately from Latin "rapere" (to seize, capture, rape), in turn inherited from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rep- "to snatch".

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isnt that canola?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Canola is rapeseed.

Apparently it's etymology is from 70's from "Canada" +"oleum" (from latin).

So I guess someone just thought to rebrand "rapeseed".

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most rapeseed oil at the time wasn't used for food, too much linoleic(?) acid; canola was rebranding a low-acid cultivar that was more suitable for cooking.

We produce a shitload of the stuff

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh. Yeah never knew about the cultivar thing. It was before I knew about such things. It's just called rapsiöljy in Finland and there's fields of it. Always used that for cooking, only started using olive oil like last year.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You dont want to cook with olive oil. The smoke point is too low.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Depends on what you're making. You don't want to fry with it, no, but it's excellent for marinara and pasta etc etc

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

As other users highlighted, canola is a specific cultivar of rapeseed. The name is for Canadian oil, low acidity. It was originally a brand.

Wiktionary also lists "colza", ultimately from Dutch koolzaad (cabbage seed). I never saw it in English, only in Portuguese (and even then it was an "ackshyually" moment).

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The land of Canola and honey just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Canola wasn't around then. Canola is a lo acid version or whatever of rapeseed.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thatsthejoke.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The Land of Rape and Honey is a good album

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rape was refering to rape seed. Belive Canola is a modified form of it.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The land of the rape seed...

Thanks for clearing that up.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So tired of the wokeness

(Am I doing it right?)

[–] MemmingenFan923@feddit.org 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What does "rape and honey" mean in this context? Is this a metaphor?

As a non native English speaker i would interpret "rape and honey" into the sexual abuse and the bee food.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Rapeseed is a plant that is grown for its oil and is called "rape" for short.

As a native English speaker, I'd assume most people have the same first thought as you and is why they changed it.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That oil is more commonly called canola, by the way. Canadian Oil, Low Acid. Used for the same reason the motto was changed.

[–] EchoCranium@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having to promote it as "rape oil" would be a marketing department's nightmare.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think you'd sometimes see it as "rapeseed oil" - still not great, but better.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No Canola is different then rapeseed. I mean it's a modified version of it.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

How is Canola different than Rapeseed when it just comes from a different variety of Rapeseed? It's like saying grape juice isn't grape juice just because it came from a white grape instead of a concord grape.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago

It's more like it's called rapeseed for long. It used to just be called "rape", but people wanted to distinguish the name from the other meaning and it's mostly the seeds we grow it for

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Note that canola is a variety of rapeseed.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The unfortunately named rapeseed

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oddly enough it's a total coincidence that they are homonyms. The plant's name comes from the Latin name for turnip, rapum

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Rapum, I hardly know 'em!

(I'm probably gonna regret posting this)

[–] match@pawb.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wait a fucking second, that's a Brassica

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

Basically everything is

[–] MemmingenFan923@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks this explains a lot.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Rapeseed

[–] dwarkent@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

And we're all out of honey... https://9gag.com/gag/aQ3nRBw

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed

That is the plant they where referring to originally.