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Calm discussion doesn’t work, ridicule them and deplatform them.

They've tried calm discussion, it's confirmed their position, so (while this decision doesn't really affect me) I'd be satisfied that Ada's not jumping to conclusions. It doesn't matter how diplomatic or polite they are, they're on their way to becoming a Nazi bar.

For those who weren't here before the reddit API exodus last year, Lemmy used to have a sizable US Free Speech instance, Wolfballs, whose owner was more the anti-vax flavor than the bigoted kind and sincerely believed in the Libertarian/liberalist marketplace of ideas. Perhaps out of desperation for growing the platform (Lemmy was in the hundreds of users at that point and that owner was contributing software improvements), it took a while before the bans turned to full defederations. Their admin was diplomatic, they were polite, I believe they were sincere, their instance rules were neutral and open to everyone, and then after a couple of years they shut down their own instance when they realized the literal white supremacist neo-nazis they were platforming, who had scared anyone sane away, weren't just doing a bit to troll the libs and actually did believe they ridiculous junk they spouted about shapeshifters and non-aryan marriages.

When someone creates a permissive instances which platforms bigotry, the people other instances reject will tend to flow there, whether the admin agrees with them or not.

They’ve only grown stronger because the neolibs want calm discussion between The people who want to exist and the bigots who hate them for existing.

Ah, the classic both-sides false equivalence - I've seen a few rare losers playing the "banning someone for their political choices and actions is the same as oppressing someone for having a body I don't like!", and it's mindboggling that certain instances tolerate their fake-neutral chavanism.

Unfortunately, there is a sickness in heart of every British person that prevents us from creating anything better. Any attempt to do so will inevitably devolve into "It's shit. It's supposed to be shit. Don't like it? There's the door."