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The teens claimed CBP targeted them because they hadn’t booked hotels for their entire stay in Hawaii.

“They found it suspicious that we hadn’t fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl said. “We wanted to travel spontaneously. Just like we had done in Thailand and New Zealand.”

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I know every country has its problems and that there are desperate people everywhere.

but its very much american exceptionalism, that americans would assume people coming from a country that has infinitely more worker rights, would move to their failing state just to work.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When the world thinks "illegal immigration" we all think "Germans sneaking into Hawaii".

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

They finally found the culprit for the shit state of the United State: It's all those pesky german young adults backpacking through the world and visiting Hawaii for like a few weeks or something!

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 39 points 3 days ago

Look at those evil immigrants. No doubt they'll... they'll... hold on, can we use some AI to replace the stock photo with brown people? Thank you.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 101 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're lucky they were sent home instead of to an El Salvador concentration camp.

[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They were the right color of skin.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It likely saved them, but being white still doesn't guarantee your safety from the US gulags.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

are you implying that fascists might not be reliable?

[–] jimmux@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

I've been seeing a lot of reports lately of white people getting screwed over like this. They all had one thing in common: women traveling without male company.

[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 128 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Both say they were handcuffed and sent to a detention center, which they claimed was more like a prison.

“We were searched with metal detectors, our entire bodies were scanned, and we had to stand naked in front of the police officers and were looked through,” Pohl said. “Then we were given green prison clothes and put in a prison cell with serious criminals.”

Among them was someone who had spent 18 years behind bars for murder, the women said, and they were left sleeping in a double cell with tiny barred windows and metal bunks with moldy mattresses.

I really want to know what changed that made the above happen much more often.

In December, if Customs had concerns about two teenagers trying to sneak into the US to work on a travel visa, where did they go? How was it handled? Because it feels like overkill and probably much more expensive than what we used to do.

Why are we sending backpacking teenagers with visa concerns to the same place as a murderer?

Why are they being strip searched like they were drug smugglers?

But the women — who were planning to continue on to Los Angeles and then Costa Rica after Hawaii — insisted they were interrogated by CBP for hours, and that transcripts show their words were “twisted” and outright falsified.

“They contained sentences we didn’t actually say,” Pohl said of interrogation transcripts they were sent home with.

“They twisted it to make it seem as if we admitted that we wanted to work illegally in the US,” she told the German outlet Ostee Zeitung.

And then this feels like the after-the-fact coverup. Whatever they held them on was super flimsy, so they tried to make it sound worse when they realized this was going to hit the news.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.today 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The news decided to pay attention, that's what changed, not the reality.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean yeah for non-white people maybe. But teenage German girls, that's a novum

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[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Per that last bit, I'm guessing they never had a lawyer present. Would make any of those fabricated statements null and void, if the constitution meant anything.

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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 217 points 4 days ago (23 children)

I don’t get it. Why would anyone still travel to the US without being forced to?

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemm.ee 133 points 4 days ago (19 children)

There's a significant amount of the US population who still don't realise how bad things are, you really expect everyone outside the US to be any better?

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[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't go to USA even if you pay me. To be "mistakenly" deported to El Salvador and then they fucking "don't know" how to get you out. Fuck no.

I used to say this about 3rd world countries to avoid them, now USA is on that list. Imagine USA being that bad. Well, it is that bad now. When it was under Biden, I wouldn't even think about it. With this orange baboon, no fucking chance you see me go to USA.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 2 days ago

NGL, traveling to America right now is just too risky. Don't do it, for your own safety.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Oh the horror! Not hard working people working for USA!

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago

Every time I've been to Cuba I show up in the airport and basically have a car rented, maybe first night in a hotel. Then we drive wherever we feel like and usually pick up a hitchhiker or two that will have a "sister" that has a room for rent.

It has almost always been clean, friendly, cheap, and a good breakfast. Rinse, repeat. I love travelling like this and have generally done this everywhere I've gone in the third world. Apparently the US doesn't even measure up to third world.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (15 children)

This has been happening for a long time. It's just that they are from first world country. Welcome to how it feels to be from a third world country. Not only US but I have been stopped at Munich and Frankfurt airport and thoroughly scanned and document checked while everyone just walk through security.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm from Canada and had to explain to border officers what my accommodations and means of personal support would be for a two week stay in the US. I was almost denied entry because I wasn't carrying sufficient cash on hand.

That was almost twenty years ago.

[–] breezeblock@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

You're saying you've been arrested, handcuffed, strip searched, sent to jail and then deported -- and that's been happening for a long time?

The people just walking were checked at departure and are local citizens.

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[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Holy shit the comments on that article. I know NY Post leans right, but some of them got their noses so far up Trump's ass they're snorting small intestine

[–] mapmyhike@lemmy.world 79 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"We wanted to travel spontaneously."

This is how my sister and I do our road trips. We get in the car and drive until we are tired then search for a hotel. If we find a town we like we might stop there even if the day is young.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (17 children)

The most shocking thing about this is the five weeks. Like as Americans we have no clue how the rest of the world lives. The entire country of France stops working for 6 weeks in the summer. And we fight to get 2 weeks if we're lucky.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 102 points 4 days ago (2 children)

“But at the time, we didn’t think it was happening to Germans,” Lepere said. “That was perhaps very naïve. We felt so small and powerless.”

They never think it could happen to them until it does. It already happened to Germans months ago tho and there was lots of press coverage, so this case of "i didnt know" is extra odd. I guess people just dont pay attention to actual relevant news.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 89 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They were teenagers who had spent the last 5 weeks traveling the world. They probably just didn't think keeping up with developments in the US was important. That plus a healthy dose of white privilege (and probably a wealthy background given that they were teenagers on a world tour) telling them oppression was something that happens to other people.

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 61 points 4 days ago

Agreed. As a white German woman myself, I can tell you that we are very used to being above any suspicion. I have been waved on in every traffic control and border check I've ever been in.

Also the German passport is one of the strongest in the world, we can basically go wherever we want when travelling. And now suddenly the US of all places is a country we have to be cautious in.

This is of course a very privileged position to be in, but they are teenagers, they probably haven't had to think about that until now.

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[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Why would anybody travel to that shithole country?

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[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (9 children)

When they denying whiter than white German kids, shit done got real.

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[–] astutemural@midwest.social 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh no! This dastardly Europeans wanted to come here and work! How dare they! Deport them!

This country was cooked a long time ago.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

From another story about the event, it wasn't even like odd jobs for a host, it was small job remote work for people in Germany and Asia. Stuff they would be doing at home and just kept doing during downtime on a long vacation.

Don't reply to any business emails while lounging by the pool, you need a work visa for that!

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago (26 children)

Having not fully booked your accommodation for the entire trip could get you denied entry to the US before Trump. Just saying. Especially if you aren’t white. Same with not having an outbound ticket.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure it happens occasionally but I've never actually heard of CPB asking for hotel bookings, just outbound flight number. This is stuff you'd submit on a visa application. If the US wants to make Europeans get visa to travel then they should just do that.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I saw this in an episode of border patrol Canada when a guy was coming to help his friend in Canada do yard work\landscaping. The officers said he was trying to take a Canadian job, work illegally, and was barred from entering the country.

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A relative of mine just had a baby, and her mom came from out-of country to meet her grandchild and help mom and dad in those first crazy weeks with a newborn.

But when she told CBP that she was "coming to help her daughter with the new baby" she got detailed and questioned for 2 hours. Eventually they let her through but they were really trying to pin her coming to work illegally on a tourism visa.

If you or a loved one are in a similar situation, just say you're "visiting family". Apparently it's a legal gray area in this shithole to help your child take care of a newborn.

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Travel advice to USA has pretty much always been to have your destination/hotel at hand for customs and your tickets for the flight back. They were also interested in how you would get to said destination, so better have a car rented in advance.

[–] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 31 points 3 days ago

It was so silly when the immigration officer asked me (at the origin, not the destination because they want to avoid to fly you back): "And what if John won't be there to pick you up at the airport?" Me: "I don't know man, take an Uber?"

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

In addition, don't say anything that suggests you will work, even if unpaid. Don't mention volunteering, helping a friend, doing remote work, etc. The rules are quite specific about what visas allow and do not allow, and many border people are just there to catch a paycheck - they will absolutely err on the side of denial. It is not a fair game, and you will not be given a fair chance to explain yourself.

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I completely believe these women, and I am sure Border Patrol invented sentences and put them in the transcript, altering what the women said in some parts and outright making stuff up in others. People assume transcripts are correct, but any corrupt authority can alter them or attribute anything to anyone. I called the Border Patrol to find out more and they surprisingly admittted to this corruption, saying "Yep, we alter transcripts all the time in between felching each other and praising Moloch."

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