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Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I'm on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can't find a clear "winner".

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[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 days ago (12 children)

man I wish mumble had a better interface and a chat function, it could real FOSS competition with Discord, but the lack of a chat feature is holding it back

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[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Matrix is nice, and you can have jitsi for calls integrated. It seems to be pretty popular; Lemmy has a field for matrix @ in user profiles. Never heard of revolt before.

[–] ErrorCode@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I use Jitsi for a non-profit, and I like the mute someone else function, but oh wow the noise cancellation needs improvement. So many voice comm apps have disappeared (there used to be one our group used all the time, then the devs dropped it (the client app) and just became on API or something).

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago (10 children)

It never made sense to me how popular discord was to begin with.

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago

Other voice chat programs were crap, discord was significantly better and more consistent. Simple as. It still has features way ahead of other services. The business side is shitty but it works without anyone needing to know anything with no troubleshooting.

[–] u_u@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago

It used to be fast and not full of useless bloat like what you see right now. The usual enshittification.

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[–] astro_ray@piefed.social 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

What are your thoughts on xmpp? Recently I have come to like a lot and am pretty active with friends there.

[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (9 children)

There are people using xmpp? Last time I set up a server and tried using it with Pidgin, I couldn't find a soul that used it

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[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago

https://spacebar.chat/ looks like it will eventually be good, it looks like it's in its infancy right now though

[–] XiberKernel@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Honest question, but on a technical level isn’t discord basically IRC with some bells, whistles, emojis, and a some WebRTC Logic wrapped in electron with a large marketing budget? Throw in some cloud storage and a CDN for images. What am I missing? I’m not saying it’s “easy”, but I’m curious what it would take to build a solid streamlined FOSS alternative built on combining existing technologies.

Edit: I’m not familiar with the ecosystem… is the issue with existing FOSS bad UI and complicated onboarding? Missing features? Or is it simply a critical mass issue?

[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

In addition to the replies you got already, discord has screen sharing/streaming. An experience kind of like zoom (I don't use it and dont see the appeal but maybe someone who does can elaborate more. My partner uses this feature sometimes).

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[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

Discord is not even necessarily Electron. I'm running it as Datcord, which is a Firefox based wrapper.

Discord has a searchble chat history, which is what sets it apart from IRC. Everything else can be emulated by modern IRC clients, such as emoji and embedded / unfurling images and link previews.

However imagine the chat history as if you had a bouncer that has 100% uptime and joined all possible chat channels from their creation, along with offering you search and buffer.

If not IRC, either Matrix or XMPP should be capable of this.

I'm fairly sure Discord's popularity was due to aggressive marketing, likely during their venture capital funding rounds. Something which FOSS does not have.

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[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)
[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's a throwback. Let's take it one step further and just get back on Ventrilo and play some DOTA. (For the younger folks who don't get the reference: https://youtu.be/aTJncWndUB8 )

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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Me and my brother are using teamspeak to this day.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Avoid Revolt as there moderation is questionable

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] farcaller@fstab.sh 7 points 4 days ago

Matrix is spectacularly cursed to the point of being unusable if you self-host it. The protocol is dumb enough to lock you out of rooms hosted on another server forever if anything goes wrong with the key rotation.

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