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So, many more people are raised right wing which may mean that way more people in the future are going to be right wing.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 99 points 2 years ago (5 children)

ideology is not stored in the balls

[–] DanComrd@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This needs to be on a mug or something data-laughing

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[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Not yet but we're working on that technology.

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[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 96 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 86 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Just kidnapped like 16 fascists (babies). Raising them in a shed in the back. Got a VHS player with soviet cartoons in there. I got us covered.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fucking god damn it. Actually. Just checked on 'em and one of them snuck in fascist media (COD: Black Ops). My plan has failed. I told them they could only watch Revolutionary Girl Utena blu-rays on that PS3.

Leftoid Praxis v2.0: Breedageddon commences. It's out only hope, I guess.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just built a second shed next to the first one where I'll house the new children and succeed this time.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for your services, bugman.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Gave up having any sort of personal ethics, mental fortitude, or will against my adversaries. Going full bugmode now.

[–] johnbrownwasright@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

We can fix them

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, it's naive to think children follow what they're taught by their parents. If that were true, we'd still have slavery and feudalism.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago

Equally naive to think they aren't highly influenced by them

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well… not everyone was raised to be pro-slavery and many people hated the monarchy. It is naive to think that the way one is raised has no sway in the way people end up being. The way and ideas people grow up with shape the way one thinks. Sure, many overcome it, but many don’t. And the more propaganda increases in the future, the harder it will be to pierce through the eco chamber.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You missed the point. People back then didn't get raised with liberal values like we do now, and yet we now have those liberal values widespread. People weren't raised irreligious and yet atheists proliferate. Reality and especially the crushing reality of Capitalism often radicalizes people away from their childhood propaganda.

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I think that I am just skeptical since I have a lot of religious right wing family members that no matter how much capitalism and their country kicks them to the floor, they still spout patriotic, religious, homophobic, transphobic and class traitor nonesense. And from my own journey to leftism, it takes a lot of effort and education to reprogram a brainwashed mind.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good thing politics aren’t genetic

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. For us to win we must get converts. If it's just 3% more or whatever it makes little difference.

Think of it this way: if you have two kids and a 100% success rate at raising little socialists, you've only "replaced" yourself and nothing more. A good organizer will radicalize hundreds of people over their lives and have an effect of creating more organizers that will do the same.

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That “good organizer” sounds like a magician to me. I cannot even convert my parents.

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Oh, comrade, don't count yourself out for that. My parents are too far gone for me to bother with, but they're in their 60's (I would say "retirement age" but lol, not happening in amerikkka).

You have to triage your efforts:

  • Firm Supporters
  • Soft Supporters
  • Soft Opposition
  • Firm Opposition

Focusing on moving people up this ladder is what keeps me going. If I can take some radlib off the sidelines, make them active agitators, and bring them into the Firm Supporters category, that's a win. If I can convert a hardline liberal/conservative to being on the sidelines instead of actively opposing us, that's a win. You have to do what you can with what you have. None of us are perfect organizers, but maybe we can get a little closer to that goal.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's only about 2-4 people per year if you start at 20 and organize for 50 years. This is very achievable if you put yourself in scenarios to meet people that are "almost there". People that like unions, marginalized people trying out community organizing, parties/orgs that allow libs and baby leftists in but don't let them dominate, orgs that table at political rallies and protests (competently), holding events where you invite the community to watch a movie or hear a speaker. Party-building stuff, basically.

Edit: oh and also be ready for emergency mobilization and recruitment. Never be caught off-guard when something like George Floyd's murder happens. Libs will take over and sheepdog if you don't (intelligently) insert yourself and work with your coalitions. This means being part of coalitions before the big events hit.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

An agitator's job is not to convert but to sow the seeds. Every crack in capitalism is another place to put a seed and "That's capitalism for you!" is a seed that can be cast every day. Just keep pointing out the contradictions of capitalism and let people convert themselves.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago

Nah, material conditions will radicalise them. "Your children will be communists"

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

I am absolutely not worried about people's personal choice to have kids or not. I am worried about a how much "antinatalist" rhetoric there is amongst what is considered the left, which is actually just recycled malthusian and neo fascist talking points. I am worried about how many people can't have kids not because they chose not to, but because they think that they can't afford children.

The right wing cultists having families of seven kids are a very small minority. Most people with right wing political views simply don't want to do that. In most western or industrialised societies, people are still having less kids on average, regardless of political views.

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

they think they can’t afford them

I am pretty sure they don’t just “think” it, but they actually can’t afford them under our current system

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

The bourgeoisie will never struggle to have kids, that's kinda the most significant materialist factor for any kind of difference in birthrates across ideological lines.

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[–] TheWorldSpins@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone that grew up being groomed to be a right wing christian, no.

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[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not a fan of this anti-natalist garbage. Also, politics aren't genetic.

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Babe wake up new great replacement dropped

[–] forcequit@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah I'm not buying into great replacement tbh

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 years ago

Nope. Way too mentally ill to risk cursing my theoretical child with what I go through.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

There are always stupid people in the world but human empathy is actually increasing with time. Today’s children aren’t as hateful and intolerant as their parents.

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It doesn't matter how right-wing their parents are, the zero-sum nature and general decay of late capitalism are going to end up pushing them to the left. Capitalism won't let most of them be small business tyrants, and bootstraps and welfare queen rhetoric aren't nearly as convincing when you're working 60 hours a week to live in a box and eat noodles and the only medical care you can afford is prayer.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

whats your problem lmao, why are you asking 20 questions a day

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[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Making more kidsgeordi-no

Practicing to make more kids geordi-yes

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, I was raised by right wing parents and I'm a ~~communist~~ liberal.

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[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

A majority of those kids are going to be war fodder, work the shitty jobs no one wants to do or become lefties. Im not really concerned about it.

[–] sicklemode@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We leftists don't have time, resources, or largely even the desire to have children in such a shithole. We're also way more literate than the right and have a sense of forward thinking and planning, so we understand what parenthood requires.

We have a revolution to build, and simply don't want to be tied up in parenthood and join the ranks of the rest of the miserable, dysfunctional families capitalism has forcefully cultivated. Not only that, we're always considering what our theoretical children would want, since bringing them into this world isn't just about us. Don't forget, we were/are someone's kid. What did we get out of the arrangement? A front row seat to the end of a viable future. This is what we're supposed to reproduce? This is the burden we're supposed to force on someone else who didn't consent to being born in these conditions? Fuck. That.

The only way I'd have kids is if China or the DPRK guaranteed my theoretical partner and I a secure existence will full citizen rights, that way we'd have piece of mind we couldn't be rug pulled and sent back West to fucking die. The West cannot have my children, ever.

As for your question about being worried reactionaries are having many more kids, I honestly don't worry all that much. Those type of parents tend to be abusive and sabotage their children's interests, development and aspirations, or fight against them. How many of us are products of abusive reactionary families? Don't Elon Musk's kids hate him? Proletarianization is inevitable, and history always has a Marxist bias.

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